A lot of this is contingent on where people put their front clip heights. I didn't see where JohnDoh put his.

so what do you need to do to end up with it flat or a positive rake? I absolutely do not want a negative rake. It's an incredibly amateur redneck look.

Different strokes for different folks.

Some people prefer the pre-runner look, but when we develop our kits we're shooting for a level look. There are production variances, wear and tear, etc which effect heights so we test multiple vehicles, take our averages and finalize from there.

If you want a positive rake and are planning on extra weight, I would suggest bottom clip with our rear springs. If you are not running third row seats, and don't have any additional weight, second clip should get you approximately level. The 5th gen is a big challenge aesthetically as the rockers and fender arches cause the whole vehicle to look reverse rake despite measurements being taller in the rear.

on an actual prerunner/trophy truck with the bodywork and long travel suspension is fine. Retail market passenger vehicles, whether SUV or truck, with a reverse rake look like shit. More accurately, they look like a dog trying to take a shit. My town is full of trucks with huge rims, low aspect ratio tires, and like 6" of reverse rake. Quite possibly the worst "customized" vehicle trend anyone has ever come up with.

anyway. with the clips in the correct positions to assure no reverse rake, what size tires fit under there on an otherwise stock vehicle?

^this. I took a laser level to mine and a level 4runner can look nose high.
Another thing to consider, I have a marked spot in my garage I measure from to see where its at. I have parked in 4 different spots and get 4 different measurements on the same day

Sorry to beat this to death, but back on pg 29 someone is saying the exact opposite per Eibach's recommendation. He said the second to the lowest because he had a winch and bumper and if there was no additional weight then use the lowest setting. I do run a RTT and camping gear and don't want the reverse rake.

The 5th gen has about a 1.75" difference between the front and rear height (SR5 and OR).

With the Eibach kit, their front lift coil is 1.75" higher than their rear lift coil.

If you want your truck level (assuming you have no additional weight), put the coil on the lowest setting (0").

If you want to retain some factory rake, you can:

add a spacer to the rear
-or-
get a taller rear coil
-or-
get the Eibach load leveling system for the rear so you can dial in your lift height.

This picture is deceiving because your horizon is crooked, making the front end look higher than it is. Take a look at your roof line compared to the top of the garage door behind it. It looks level with that line.

Have you measured from the center of hub to the bottom of fender on level ground? If so, what did you get?

This is how we measure as well.

I don't think this is the opposite of what we recommend.

He's got additional weight on the front and wanted it close to level, so he moved the perch to the second clip to accommodate for the extra weight and give him a more level look.

In your scenario, the first clip would yield the results you're looking for because you're loading the center/rear of the vehicle with no additional weight over the front axle.


This all being said, our HD rear springs have been test fit and are getting final revisions made before being sent to production. Once approved we'll be looking at about 8-12 weeks for production. I would estimate late January/ early February considering Holiday schedules.

Could someone tell me what the final height of their 4runner is with the lift kit and 285s (specifically the KO2s)? Some of the parking decks here in the city are 76".

Update on the stage 1 kit, when I installed the kit I did the recommended front setting at the first clip thinking it would be more than enough but added a half inch cornfed spacer to the rear to get 1.5" in the rear but ended up with 2" instead. That resulted in a factory looking rake but lifted and wish I had done the second clip instead. I waited a few weeks to see if the rear would settle and it stayed the same. I was preparing for bigger tires from 265's so when I went to a shop to have my bmc done and I also had them change the clip setting. I had the second clip in mind but they encouraged the third clip instead as a buy once cry once and said f*** it let's do it (thanks stellar built) and I was also going to upgrade UCA's anyway. Long story short, the rig looked exactly how I envisioned it when I first installed the lift after changing it to the third clip. Factory looking rake is gone and is completely leveled for now until I start adding weight to the front.

After placing on my SCS wheels. I’ve noticed a more predominant amount of reverse rake. It’s actually kind of bother me now. I think I’m going to have to opt to get rear spacers. I’ll drive it a few more hundred miles to see if it’ll settle.

And yes you’re right. The photos don’t do justice, you have to see in person.

I’ll measure it soon when I have time

So I’m about to install the Eibach pro truck kit on my limited. I’m wondering what would happen if I add a 1 inch cornfed spacers to the rear. I have third row, would it be level or would it give me some rake? I don’t want reverse rake.

Limiteds don't sit 1.75" lower in the front than the back, right?

Best to take a tape measure and measure from the middle of your hub to fender both front and back. If the front is more than 1.75" lower than the rear, you'll retain a small amount of factory rake.

If the front is less than 1.75" lower than the rear, you'll sit nose high. If this is the case, your measurements will determine how big your spacer needs to be.