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Just installed Dobinsons UCAs. Got alignment done today and after lots of wrenching the guy could only get +3º caster. When turned closer to +3.5º it pushed the camber out of spec (0.7 to 1.0 degrees) so I had to settle for only +3.
My setup is: Bilstein 14" springs, Toytec 1/2" top plate spacer, and TRD struts. My front bumper adds 90 lbs so I don't think I'm too much over 3" of front lift. I'm happy with how it drives, but I know 4º caster would feel better. I watched him adjust the cam bolts all ways seemingly possible, is this as much caster as I can get?
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Nice stance, how does it ride now since you removed the toytec 1 inch spring perch?
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08-29-2019, 01:14 AM
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Just installed Dobinsons UCAs. Got alignment done today and after lots of wrenching the guy could only get +3º caster. When turned closer to +3.5º it pushed the camber out of spec (0.7 to 1.0 degrees) so I had to settle for only +3.
My setup is: Bilstein 14" springs, Toytec 1/2" top plate spacer, and TRD struts. My front bumper adds 90 lbs so I don't think I'm too much over 3" of front lift. I'm happy with how it drives, but I know 4º caster would feel better. I watched him adjust the cam bolts all ways seemingly possible, is this as much caster as I can get?
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With my 2 in lift, the tech was able to get me 3.4. He tried for 3.5 but it kept throwing the numbers off
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08-29-2019, 06:23 AM
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I started out with just the Dobinsons 2.5” lift (2.25” after winch and aluminum slim bumper) then swapped the factory UCAs for Dobinsons a few weeks later. I checked the alignment paperwork and the caster is 3.5°. It definitely changed how the T4R tracks. Wandering all over the place at highway speed is drastically reduced. The lift didn’t really make the wandering worse. It was already annoying right off the dealer lot. Now I can relax and drive without having to make constant corrections.
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08-29-2019, 12:39 PM
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Nice stance, how does it ride now since you removed the toytec 1 inch spring perch?
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Significantly improved. No more harshness over big bumps. Thank you for the suggestion!
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08-29-2019, 03:23 PM
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Alignment completed...
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How's it tracking on the highway?
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08-29-2019, 11:48 PM
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Does anyone know if these allow for extended travel when used with extended length shocks (kings)? The website doesn't really say one way or the other.
It says it requires at least 1.5" of lift. I will be at about 1.6-1.7" so technically in the range, but what happens when you are on the low end of the lift range? Does that mean it will push caster really high where there is a chance camber or toe won't come in?
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08-30-2019, 07:54 AM
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How's it tracking on the highway?
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Looks like I have just about the same amount of Dobinsons lift as KB180 and the Dobinsons UCAs resulted in very slightly higher caster (than KB180) with the rest of the alignment numbers within spec. The highway tracking is drastically improved and well worth the money. It's not luxury sedan precise, but it's about average now compared to most trucks. Way better than my 2017 F-150. About the same as my stock 2009 Tundra and a little worse than my stock 2006 Tundra (best handling truck I've ever owned).
The UCAs also eliminated the slight steering wobble I was experiencing intermittently after the lift on some roads between 60 - 65 MPH. Could be the result of a better alignment or balance by a competent tech instead of the UCAs.
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08-30-2019, 11:01 AM
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Around town, not an issue. I'll be on the freeway tomorrow afternoon, but I suspect it won't be much of an issue either.
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Looks like I have just about the same amount of Dobinsons lift as KB180 and the Dobinsons UCAs resulted in very slightly higher caster (than KB180) with the rest of the alignment numbers within spec. The highway tracking is drastically improved and well worth the money. It's not luxury sedan precise, but it's about average now compared to most trucks. Way better than my 2017 F-150. About the same as my stock 2009 Tundra and a little worse than my stock 2006 Tundra (best handling truck I've ever owned).
The UCAs also eliminated the slight steering wobble I was experiencing intermittently after the lift on some roads between 60 - 65 MPH. Could be the result of a better alignment or balance by a competent tech instead of the UCAs.
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Thank you both.
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09-04-2019, 04:51 PM
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Does anyone know if these allow for extended travel when used with extended length shocks (kings)? The website doesn't really say one way or the other.
It says it requires at least 1.5" of lift. I will be at about 1.6-1.7" so technically in the range, but what happens when you are on the low end of the lift range? Does that mean it will push caster really high where there is a chance camber or toe won't come in?
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Yes, it shouldn't be a problem to run them with those Kings.
The arms add caster, but the lower arm cams can be adjusted to take some out if you have too much and get the alignment locked in properly. They're just not needed with zero to a low lift which is why we have them listed with 1.5" of lift, plus the fact that they have added caster.
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09-05-2019, 10:42 AM
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@ Dobinsons Mike
I finally have my Dobinsons UCAs on the way and I have an installation question. Do you guys recommend lowering the vehicle back to the ground before torquing to spec, as I have seen recommended on UCAs with greasable bushings? The UCA installation pdf doesn't mention anything about lowering the vehicle but I think maybe that's because the Dobinson's bushings don't require grease.
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09-05-2019, 11:03 AM
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@ Dobinsons Mike
I finally have my Dobinsons UCAs on the way and I have an installation question. Do you guys recommend lowering the vehicle back to the ground before torquing to spec, as I have seen recommended on UCAs with greasable bushings? The UCA installation pdf doesn't mention anything about lowering the vehicle but I think maybe that's because the Dobinson's bushings don't require grease.
Thanks man.
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Yes, all suspension components should only be tightened on the ground with the weight of the vehicle on them.
As the bushings are vulcanized to the sleeve in the middle, if they are tightened in the air, then the bushings would be pre-loaded when the car is on the ground, adding tightness to the bushings and that would most likely cause them to wear out prematurely. It's the same effect on shock bushings too, especially the front lower strut bushing. The main reason people have those fail is when they tighten them in the air instead of on the ground.
You're right, it's missing from the instructions somehow.
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09-05-2019, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Cement4R
Just installed Dobinsons UCAs. Got alignment done today and after lots of wrenching the guy could only get +3º caster. When turned closer to +3.5º it pushed the camber out of spec (0.7 to 1.0 degrees) so I had to settle for only +3.
My setup is: Bilstein 14" springs, Toytec 1/2" top plate spacer, and TRD struts. My front bumper adds 90 lbs so I don't think I'm too much over 3" of front lift. I'm happy with how it drives, but I know 4º caster would feel better. I watched him adjust the cam bolts all ways seemingly possible, is this as much caster as I can get?
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How much lift are you running? The rear tire looks pretty close to the front of the wheel well.
Which brings me to another question: when lifting, how much does the rear axle housing move from center? I know in my Jeep TJ, if I went with any more than 2", an adjustable track bar or track bar drop bracket was recommended to move the rear axle back to center and adjustable lower arms were recommended to push the axle housing back.
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09-06-2019, 12:55 AM
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How much lift are you running? The rear tire looks pretty close to the front of the wheel well.
Which brings me to another question: when lifting, how much does the rear axle housing move from center? I know in my Jeep TJ, if I went with any more than 2", an adjustable track bar or track bar drop bracket was recommended to move the rear axle back to center and adjustable lower arms were recommended to push the axle housing back.
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It's a weird camera angle -- here's a more straight on shot of the rear tire. It's fairly even in the wheel well.
Lift is probably a little over 3" front and 2" rear. My centerline measurements are 23" F and 24.25" R.
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09-08-2019, 03:00 PM
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I have the UCAs and the lift from Dobinsons and am very happy with both. Alignment went well, no issues with the UCAs so far, but they've only been on 3 months.
I got them due to being pretty low maintenance, price, and too many horror stories about the light racing SPCs. Although most likely the cause of the stories is that 80% of the forum bought the SPCs.
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Looking at upgrades to my 2016 TE with KDSS and saw your post and garage info. Wondering how you like your setup over a year later. I am thinking about the Dobinson setup to get 2" up front and 1.5" in the back so I can put on the 275/70 17 KO2s (I have 265s now) - also going to add C4 Fab Lo-pro bumper and probably the Dobninson winch - so need to upgrade suspension regardless to handle the weight.
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Had a look at the latest batch of UCA's that arrived yesterday and the welds are much smoother now than ever before. Still have never had a single warranty claim on any Dobinsons UCA's.
There's a limited amount of 4Runner UCA's left in stock after fulfilling all backorders. Details are here:
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