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They are absolutely not the longest running vehicle on the road. While many aspects of the cars are durable the engines are the worst. I have been into Subaru STi and forrester's since 2004. The STi after 2006 has to be the least durable engine on the road. Also the forrester's 2.5.

Just last night driving through the local dealership another STi wagon was having engine out service.

They have been changing the engines lately but a few years ago the 2.0 was pretty bad as well. Two cylinder heads and gaskets not to mention timing belts are such stupid features. Mitsubishi and Toyota have timing belts but they are much easier to service. My 2003 galant will outlast 10 subaru's and I take it down the gnarliest roads
Yeah I was actually looking at WRX STIs before I got my runner and I stayed away because of all the negativity surrounding the new EJ25 engine
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I think the foresters are remarkably capable. I have an ongoing argument on Pirate regarding whether a Forester is more capable than a Mahindra Roxor. I have no doubt whatsoever that a Forester will absolutely embarrass a Roxor in the dirt. Roxors are open differentials on both ends. Shouldn't even be close. AND the kicker is that a forester is CHEAPER!! brand new than the Roxor. I'm still waiting for a roxor to show up as a trade in at my friend's powersports shop so we can take it out and compare. I'll probably rent a forester for a day. I'll be sure to video tape it.

I Forester is really no match for a 4Runner in the extreme, but it's pretty solidly in Jeep GC territory.

I'm really curious to see how the new RAV4 does. They've added MTS/ATRAC to the new Rav as a standard feature. Supposedly the center diff has a full lock dog clutch so you can actually get damn near the same drive performance as the non TRD model 4Runners. But of course a lot less durable and less ground clearance. With some skid plates and minor suspension mods you could have a reasonably capable overlander that's perfectly at home on all the "overland" trails and gets 30+mpg.
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I think the foresters are remarkably capable. I have an ongoing argument on Pirate regarding whether a Forester is more capable than a Mahindra Roxor. I have no doubt whatsoever that a Forester will absolutely embarrass a Roxor in the dirt. Roxors are open differentials on both ends. Shouldn't even be close. AND the kicker is that a forester is CHEAPER!! brand new than the Roxor. I'm still waiting for a roxor to show up as a trade in at my friend's powersports shop so we can take it out and compare. I'll probably rent a forester for a day. I'll be sure to video tape it.

I Forester is really no match for a 4Runner in the extreme, but it's pretty solidly in Jeep GC territory.

I'm really curious to see how the new RAV4 does. They've added MTS/ATRAC to the new Rav as a standard feature. Supposedly the center diff has a full lock dog clutch so you can actually get damn near the same drive performance as the non TRD model 4Runners. But of course a lot less durable and less ground clearance. With some skid plates and minor suspension mods you could have a reasonably capable overlander that's perfectly at home on all the "overland" trails and gets 30+mpg.
As much as I really hated the engine for guzzling so much oil, where Subaru really earns its merits is in the snow. Seen a few videos of double digit inches of snow where the Subarus are the only vehicles churning along, even compared to 4Runners and Wranglers.
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As much as I really hated the engine for guzzling so much oil, where Subaru really earns its merits is in the snow. Seen a few videos of double digit inches of snow where the Subarus are the only vehicles churning along, even compared to 4Runners and Wranglers.
I used to do a lot with an offroad club in Montana. In the winter we'd setup a race track at our motorsports park that was a dog-bone shape on an ice sheet. The subaru's would clean up. No one in anything from an Audi to a double locked rock buggy with studded tires could hang with a Subaru WRX on the ice rink.
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Just hit 118,xxx on our '11 Impreza NA (EJ25). Nothing but oil changes and tire rotations. Would buy another Subaru. However, a Subaru does not compare to a mid-size body-on-frame SUV w/ part time 4WD.
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As much as I really hated the engine for guzzling so much oil, where Subaru really earns its merits is in the snow. Seen a few videos of double digit inches of snow where the Subarus are the only vehicles churning along, even compared to 4Runners and Wranglers.
I've never had one issue with any of my 3 4Runners in the snow, especially deep snow. I agree that our Forester moves good in the snow, but my fiancee agreed that my 4Runner does better in the snow than her Subbie
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I’ve got a 2007 STI, 2014 Forester XT, and 2016 4Runner. I love them all in their own special way. TRD OR vs Subaru Forester
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They are absolutely not the longest running vehicle on the road. While many aspects of the cars are durable the engines are the worst. I have been into Subaru STi and forrester's since 2004. The STi after 2006 has to be the least durable engine on the road. Also the forrester's 2.5.

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Yep, Subaru's are well know for blowing head gaskets. Stick with the 4Runner.


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I much rather have a 4Runner, but the only 4Runner that can compete with the AWD performance is the Limited.

The Subaru AWD would cream the 4WD of the SR5/Trail/TRD/Pro in snow driving… Need that Limited Torsen TC to really be an apples to apples comparison.

Having just come from the snow / mountains having a locked center kinda sucked at times.
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