01-14-2019, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Drillzzz
I read the above information.
Seems that 2017 and above are not part of the recall and that sheds some of the light that I was asking for. Thank you. I was not able to find that.
Still does not explain that after 2 decades of deaths that they are still putting this companies reputation into cars. Does it take 20 years to realize this? They recalled cars and then put the same crap in the new models only to be recalled years later. Why do we have these proven deathly components in a 2016 car? In reality who knows if there will be another recall on the later years. Theres no guarantee.
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I am with you.
This has been such a long ongoing issues in cars you would think that QA would be a forced issue on this company. You would think that someone else would have seen the need for quality airbags and started making bank!
As for your ride, if you want to get rid of the thing I will be glad to take it off your hands and take it in when a recall arises as we both know it will eventually happen.
By the way the recall takes 3 hours it was a fun morning.
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01-14-2019, 04:54 PM
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"Now with the 4Runner, it seems the recall is only for 2010-2016."
Mine was built in 10/16. This is 2019. They don't seem to be in a hurry - at least not as much of a hurry as they were when they cashed my check.
My wife is having surgery this Wednesday and I'll make an appointment as soon as she recovers. I'll bet a whole dollar they'll have some excuse, waiting list, or whatnot and it won't be done until spring or summer.
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My dealer had the part delivered within a week of me calling to set up the appointment. There are no "waiting lists" for warranty airbags as far as I know.
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01-14-2019, 05:15 PM
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Mine was built in 10/16. This is 2019. They don't seem to be in a hurry - at least not as much of a hurry as they were when they cashed my check
My wife is having surgery this Wednesday and I'll make an appointment as soon as she recovers. I'll bet a whole dollar they'll have some excuse, waiting list, or whatnot and it won't be done until spring or summer.
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Based on multiple independent investigations and NHTSA’s independent expert, NHTSA has concluded that non-desiccated frontal Takata air bag inflators do not pose an unreasonable risk to safety until they reach a certain level of propellant degradation after long-term exposure to environmental moisture and fluctuating high temperatures. NHTSA and Takata are prioritizing recalls of these components based on when the involved inflators are likely to pose an unreasonable risk to safety, considering time, temperature and environmental moisture, which depends on a vehicle’s operating location. According to NHTSA’s current order, these components will be recalled by the end of 2018.
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they recalled the older ones first. shouldn't be any delay some are even getting same day appointments
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01-14-2019, 05:28 PM
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My dealer replaced mine expeditiously. Called them mid last week, they ordered the part then installed it Saturday. No mess, no fuss.
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01-14-2019, 05:53 PM
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I think Toyota totally fawked this one up. They knew a long time ago that ammonium nitrate could cause a problem in the long run. And did nothing about it - for a long time.
But... the sky isn't falling. Ammonium Nitrate takes a long time to become volatile enough to be dangerous. There is practically no risk within the first few years. It takes more like 20 years to degrade with humidity and temperature changes into a more volatile compound that can then cause the rapid expansion that leads to metal housing failures.
They should be replaced. Toyota should not have sold them when they knew of the danger. People died (I don't know if any were actually in Toyota vehicles). But that doesn't mean that the current airbags are currently dangerous. They should not be any more dangerous than any other airbag for a long time. But they also should be replaced as soon as possible.
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01-14-2019, 06:14 PM
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"NHTSA has concluded that non-desiccated frontal Takata air bag inflators do not pose an unreasonable risk to safety"
"unreasonable risk"
That's easy for them to say. They're not the one riding around in my truck with me. It obvisously poses some risk, or they wouldn't be drawing lines in the sand and saying unreasonable.
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01-14-2019, 06:23 PM
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Wives should be ok if you keep them in the back seat.
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01-14-2019, 06:30 PM
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Wives should be ok if you keep them in the back seat.
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And wives would collect handsomely from an unfortunate event....
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01-14-2019, 08:12 PM
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So how many people have died from this in 20 years?
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01-14-2019, 08:13 PM
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Death Trap? Really?
28.8 million airbags recalled. 24 deaths attributed to airbags. Less than 1 in a million odds. The odds of dying in an airplane crash are lower. I'd think the worrying about things like that is going to kill you faster than an airbag.
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01-14-2019, 08:19 PM
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... I don't think it's an overreaction to point a finger at Toyota. In fact, I think this sub chronically under-reacts to anything Toyota does wrong...
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Many more manufacturers than Toyota were “duped” by Takata...
Were they all complicit in this act?
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01-14-2019, 08:21 PM
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Many more manufacturers than Toyota were “duped” by Takata...
Were they all complicit in this act?
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Complicit implies illegal activity. I don't think anyone broke the law. But yes, any manufacturer who works with Takata (now bankrupt) should be questionable, in my opinion. I was an insurance underwriter for 10 years. They went with Takata because some underwriter crunched the numbers and decided that few enough people would die and they would save a bunch of money. Illegal? No. Unethical? Hell yes. Do I think Toyota is alone? No, but this is a Toyota forum and I own a Toyota. I'm sure it's talked about elsewhere.
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01-14-2019, 08:37 PM
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Have the recall correction performed on your vehicle and go about your business.
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01-14-2019, 08:38 PM
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Still does not explain that after 2 decades of deaths that they are still putting this companies reputation into cars. Does it take 20 years to realize this? They recalled cars and then put the same crap in the new models only to be recalled years later. Why do we have these proven deathly components in a 2016 car? In reality who knows if there will be another recall on the later years. Theres no guarantee.
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This is the part that is indefensible by Toyota, but people in this forum will sure try. They knew since 2009 that the airbags were killing people. They decided it was cheaper to kill a few more people than to replace the airbags. Then they killed too many people and got recalled. Now Toyota says, no problem, we'll get you a new airbag. The blood is on their hands, and in the end, it will cost them more than doing the right thing to begin with. If this doesn't bother you as a Toyota owner, then you have no ethical compass.
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01-14-2019, 08:41 PM
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since many thousands of drivers got killed because of these defective air bags you should drive any vehicle with a professional hockey uniform .. also goggles.. LOL...
this company manufactured probably many millions of these bags that do hurt people.. many vehicles affected . they replaced these in humid regions first as this was then noted that the air bags did blow off improperly and some a few did die. the older vehicles got replaced first now the newer vehicles. yes my 2016 did have defective air bag and Toyota knew about it .. reason they and other companies installed these bad bags was no other option !!!
calm down and just get the bags replaced.. buy another vehicle well you could have a whole load of recalls on stuff .. GM/DODGE/FORD etc..
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