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Victory 4x4 New Product Prototyping (Armor & Accessories)
Hey everyone, I’m Cam from Victory4x4! We are a manufacturer located in Michigan. We operate out of 32,000sqft. We do all of our cutting, bending, welding, powder coating in house. Some of you might know our sister company, JcrOffroad, which has made Jeep armor for almost 16 years.
I bought a 2017 Magnetic Gray SR5 4Runner this past summer and love it. So to start here is the before photo.
I will be posting new products here as well as prototypes.
What would you like to see produced for the 4Runner?
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01-24-2019, 10:16 AM
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Update
Here's how the 4Runner sits now.
Falken Wildpeak A/T3's LT285/70R17
Mamba Offroad M23 Wheels -12 Offset 4.53 Backspacing
3" BDS Suspension
Victory 4x4 Strike Rock Sliders/Steps
Victory 4x4 Blitz Bumper w/tube (available without)
Victory 4x4 Roof Rail Crossbars
Victory 4x4 Molle Storage Panels
Victory 4x4 Engine/Transmission/TCase Skids (still prototyping)
I'll make a post for each product with more photos.
Here is a link to the website so you can check out what's currently available. If you have any questions let me know!
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01-24-2019, 10:25 AM
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Victory 4x4 5th Gen Sliders
Here are some details on our sliders.
Our tube sliders for the Toyota 4runner are designed to be used as a step as well as protect your rig. They are proudly made in the USA are available in a 2 stage satin textured black powdercoat over durable zinc primer finish, or in bare metal.
• Main structure built from 2x3x3/16" box tubing.
• 1 3/4" round outer tubing. Tube gussets useable for safe step entry.
• Bolt-on installation.
• Some drilling required for offroad use.
Someone had a question about how they are mounted so here's some more info on that.
They are frame mounted and have 3/4" gap between the slider and the pinch weld to allow for some flex on a full weight drop.
If you are only using them as a step, the bottom mounting holes will not need to be drilled, but they are necessary for offroad use as they prevent the slider from being pushed up into the body.
Strike Rock Sliders | 5th Gen 4Runner (14+) - Victory 4x4
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01-24-2019, 10:32 AM
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Blitz Front Winch Bumper
Here is some info on the factory integrated winch bumper.
Our Blitz winch bumper for the 5th generation Toyota 4Runner is designed to integrate with your factory front bumper fascia for a clean look with maximum recovery options. This made in the USA bumper features an integrated 20" lightbar mount, 3/4" recovery tabs, plus provisions for many industry standard winches. It's available with and without a tube. A fairlead block off plate is included for those that don't yet have, or need, a winch. The bumper is available in a 2 stage satin textured black powdercoat over durable zinc primer finish, or in bare metal.
CNC cut and formed from .188" steel.
Includes 1.75" x .120" tubework for added grill protection.
Compatible with most 8-10k non-integrated solenoid or removable selenoid winches.
Some integrated winches will fit with a power steering return hose reroute
Built-in provisions for a 20" light bar (22" max mounting width)
Proudly designed and made in the USA.
Does not fit Limited trim 4Runners
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Blitz Front Winch Bumper With Tube | 5th Gen 4Runner (14+) - Victory 4x4
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Blitz Front Winch Bumper | 5th Gen 4Runner (14+) - Victory 4x4
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01-25-2019, 02:38 AM
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I think you guys are doing a great job thus far of designing "new" products for what is already a pretty heavily saturated market. As you already know from the Jeep world there is always room for improvements, and besides a little extra competition never hurt nobody.
Ease of installation and final look on the vehicle are what I look at most when it comes to making a decision on a product for my vehicles. I'm sure I'll catch flack for this, but I am willing to compromise some level of structural integrity as long as the product I'm installing compliments the look of my vehicle. Some of the current offerings (especially full replacement bumpers) look like they could take you through a brick wall, but personally completely kill the look of the vehicle.
I think my only complaints about the skid plates is the use of non recessed hardware, and as stated above the lack of protection for the cam bolts. Other than those things the look and tidiness of the design is a win for me. Also as stated above I too would like to see the offering of a rear differential skid and rear LCA skids.
The stubby bumper is also a win all the way around for me, and the fact that it meets the lines of the factory bumper well, and doesn't show any of the factory bumper behind it like some of your competition does, just makes it that much better. It would be nice to see another offering of the high clearance side protectors like SSO offers, but maybe with a lip that covers the cut line on the bumper so that if someone where to paint match them to the truck, there isn't this weird run of black door trim going in between the two pieces.
If you guys do decide to get into full replacement bumper options it would be nice to see something in the front that is not only tucked in high and tight, but also keeps a similar styling to that of the factory bumper. CBI did a good job of this, but my qualm with their bumper is that you have to cut the factory bumper in half. This unfortunately ends up with people having cut lines that look as though they were done by Shaky Tommy, or if they are clean cut then the moment you have the smallest amount of flex to the vehicle you see these massive gaps where the two pieces come together.
When it comes to the rear bumper not everyone is looking for some monstrosity that you can load everything but the kitchen sink up on. It be nice to see something that just gives the capabilities of a better departure angle, expect some Rigid SR-Ms, take a hit or two, and not look like you just gave your 4Runner butt implants. Again it would be nice to see this in a full replacement option so that you don't run the chance of horrible cut lines.
Your rear window molle panels look great, and are just a tip of the ice berg when it comes to the list of accessories you can begin to dive into from there. CB antenna mounts, air compressor mounts both under the hood and the rear hatch area, ditch light mounts, roof racks, ladders, rear storage drawers/shelves, ETC.
Keep up the good work guys and look forward to seeing what you come up with from here.
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01-24-2019, 11:06 AM
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Thanks for this. This time last year there were 3 serious skid plate offerings after 8 years of 5th gen production. Suddenly, we are getting 3 more?
I think that what one expects with 6 vs 3 is a bit of a downward price adjustment.
If I were in your shoes, I would:
--try to reduce the prices, especially of easy skids like transmission skid.
--offer 3/16 steel we can drag over rocks plus aluminum and 1/8 steel that offers more coverage than stock. Only RCI offers affordable aluminum prices. Only BudBuild offers 1/8 steel which is what most need, actually.
--optimize front skid plate for minimum ground clearance loss under front edge
--ensure that front skid is even better supported than the good competition, for example, strengthen the crossmember were the middle supports of RCI or BudBuild plates attach.
--offer a tight fit rear differential skid that does not cost 300. 150 would be nice. It is not as essential, but needed to preserve drain plug and appearance.
--Offer rear LCA bracket skids that don't require drilling.
--Offer gas tank skid that has strong front and not just bottom and that attaches using the factory holes but not the gas tank strap holes!
--Offer a hitch skid plate/rear bumper skid plate that does not cost 160 like Skidmark and that does not interfere with the spare tire like the new one sold for 100 everywhere including 4WD parts.
Provide good info on the website about why the skids are better and provide pictures inside and out of each plus mounted.
Btw, I did not drill the hole for my pax side Shrock slider underneath the crossmemember and I have dragged that slider over rocks with no issues.
For sliders, Shrock offers superb powdercoating and cheap. That's about the one big difference between the models with sufficient strength. Also, most sliders are now pushing 1000 when finished, which is crazy.
@ kjbenner
It is also an option not to get any sliders. They lose you a good 3" of ground clearance so unless you can drag them, you will be better off without when it comes to their primary function. 17" of stock rocker clearance is plenty even for normal difficult trails and where sliders are really required only steel will do. But it is true that side protection is also a thing especially in forested areas and tight washes in the desert. I don't know if aluminum can resist being pressed from the side as well as steel. But I think you do have a point when it comes to side protection.
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01-24-2019, 11:31 AM
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I really like the bumper. Lead times appear great too.
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01-24-2019, 11:39 AM
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@ kjbenner
It is also an option not to get any sliders. They lose you a good 3" of ground clearance so unless you can drag them, you will be better off without when it comes to their primary function. 17" of stock rocker clearance is plenty even for normal difficult trails and where sliders are really required only steel will do. But it is true that side protection is also a thing especially in forested areas and tight washes in the desert. I don't know if aluminum can resist being pressed from the side as well as steel. But I think you do have a point when it comes to side protection.
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You're totally right, and right now I've got no sliders/steps/running boards and no issues. But sometimes I think it would be nice to have a bit of a step of some sort to help my wife get in. I don't want to go with something like nerf steps because of the clearance issues, but don't "need" full sliders. I go round and round on this and who knows if I'll ever do anything about it...
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01-24-2019, 11:44 AM
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Looks like you guys are not to far from me.
Do you do installs as well?
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Thanks for this. This time last year there were 3 serious skid plate offerings after 8 years of 5th gen production. Suddenly, we are getting 3 more?
I think that what one expects with 6 vs 3 is a bit of a downward price adjustment.
If I were in your shoes, I would:
--try to reduce the prices, especially of easy skids like transmission skid.
--offer 3/16 steel we can drag over rocks plus aluminum and 1/8 steel that offers more coverage than stock. Only RCI offers affordable aluminum prices. Only BudBuild offers 1/8 steel which is what most need, actually.
--optimize front skid plate for minimum ground clearance loss under front edge
--ensure that front skid is even better supported than the good competition, for example, strengthen the crossmember were the middle supports of RCI or BudBuild plates attach.
--offer a tight fit rear differential skid that does not cost 300. 150 would be nice. It is not as essential, but needed to preserve drain plug and appearance.
--Offer rear LCA bracket skids that don't require drilling.
--Offer gas tank skid that has strong front and not just bottom and that attaches using the factory holes but not the gas tank strap holes!
--Offer a hitch skid plate/rear bumper skid plate that does not cost 160 like Skidmark and that does not interfere with the spare tire like the new one sold for 100 everywhere including 4WD parts.
Provide good info on the website about why the skids are better and provide pictures inside and out of each plus mounted.
Btw, I did not drill the hole for my pax side Shrock slider underneath the crossmemember and I have dragged that slider over rocks with no issues.
For sliders, Shrock offers superb powdercoating and cheap. That's about the one big difference between the models with sufficient strength. Also, most sliders are now pushing 1000 when finished, which is crazy.
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I think this is pretty much spot on.
The gas tank skid should be able to bolt to the OEM skid mounting points. I fabricated one for my 4Runner that does that. It wasn't particularly challenging to do. The front mounting point does need to be recessed a bit - but you can just use the OEM skid from a TRD OR/Pro to measure and make a jig. I think the skid from your SR5 is only a partial coverage skid unless they changed skids on the SR5.
My .02 is that sliders should not need drilled holes. There are so many mounting points on the frame rails that they should be designed to bolt on. Use the pinch weld as a support point and you can drop the weight and make them bolt on without drilling. Also if you don't already know - the Trail/TRDOR models come with KDSS as an optional feature. It's a hydraulic sway bar link system. What matters to you is that the engine skid is different between the two and also the KDSS accumulator (hydraulic manifold with reservoirs) is located on the frame rail and the sliders may not fit around that system without being engineered to do so. So it's most likely that your SR5 sliders do not fit KDSS equipped models. And for sure your engine skid will not fit.
You may or may not also know that the GX460 and Prado 150 share the same platform. So it would be worth test fitting your products on a GX and offering the parts that fit both in both markets. They share the same frame and suspension with the KDSS equipped 4Runners, but they have a v8 - so exhaust fitment is going to be different. And of course the body is different.
A better rear diff skid would be nice. I'm not sure if you have the manufacturing facilities to do the ideal design (few manufacturers I'm aware of do - or would spend the $ for the die set to do this, but since I'm daydreaming... - a stamped formed plate that fits very tight. The most important function of a rear diff skid would be to protect the pinion flange. A really good hit on the pinion flange can crush the crush-sleeve and end up with a loose pinion bearing preload that ultimately causes problems down the road.
I would try to modify the engine skid you have to protect the lower control arm cam bolts in the front. They get really hammered if you go play in the rocks. A LCA skid is unnecessary, but protection for the LCA cam bolts and flanges would be valuable. Otherwise I like your design. It fits tight and looks good!
If you do have the tooling to stamp 1/8" sheet - some stamped skids could cut the weight significantly and still be stronger than most of the formed plate options. No one is puncturing the steel plate. It's the rigidity that is the driver of thicker plate.
These fit and are already available, but not easy to get in the USA. If you could stamp them in 1/8" mild steel they'd be a great option.
The front winch bumper looks great BTW. My suggestion on that would simply be to offer without any cutout for the light bar. Should be easy to do. Also offer without the tow hoops. I think there is at least some market for one without those things for a cleaner look. And show pics of the structure on the backside. It's something most of us would want to see before buying - and as soon as the first person gets one, they're going to post pictures anyway.
As for new products:
A kaymar style rear tire carrier. Put the tire relatively low. Off to the side so you can see out the back. And keep the weight low. Like this:
Good luck!
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Originally Posted by MAST4R
Thanks for this. This time last year there were 3 serious skid plate offerings after 8 years of 5th gen production. Suddenly, we are getting 3 more?
I think that what one expects with 6 vs 3 is a bit of a downward price adjustment.
If I were in your shoes, I would:
--try to reduce the prices, especially of easy skids like transmission skid.
--offer 3/16 steel we can drag over rocks plus aluminum and 1/8 steel that offers more coverage than stock. Only RCI offers affordable aluminum prices. Only BudBuild offers 1/8 steel which is what most need, actually.
--optimize front skid plate for minimum ground clearance loss under front edge
--ensure that front skid is even better supported than the good competition, for example, strengthen the crossmember were the middle supports of RCI or BudBuild plates attach.
--offer a tight fit rear differential skid that does not cost 300. 150 would be nice. It is not as essential, but needed to preserve drain plug and appearance.
--Offer rear LCA bracket skids that don't require drilling.
--Offer gas tank skid that has strong front and not just bottom and that attaches using the factory holes but not the gas tank strap holes!
--Offer a hitch skid plate/rear bumper skid plate that does not cost 160 like Skidmark and that does not interfere with the spare tire like the new one sold for 100 everywhere including 4WD parts.
Provide good info on the website about why the skids are better and provide pictures inside and out of each plus mounted.
Btw, I did not drill the hole for my pax side Shrock slider underneath the crossmemember and I have dragged that slider over rocks with no issues.
For sliders, Shrock offers superb powdercoating and cheap. That's about the one big difference between the models with sufficient strength. Also, most sliders are now pushing 1000 when finished, which is crazy.
@ kjbenner
It is also an option not to get any sliders. They lose you a good 3" of ground clearance so unless you can drag them, you will be better off without when it comes to their primary function. 17" of stock rocker clearance is plenty even for normal difficult trails and where sliders are really required only steel will do. But it is true that side protection is also a thing especially in forested areas and tight washes in the desert. I don't know if aluminum can resist being pressed from the side as well as steel. But I think you do have a point when it comes to side protection.
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Thanks for the reply! I'll keep you updated on skids. As for our sliders, they are $599 bare and $749 with zinc primer and textured black powder coat. You lose less than 3" of clearance with them and the body protection is huge. (Offroad protection or parking lot door ding protection). Mine kept my door off of a tree the first time out in the woods.
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Awesome!
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Originally Posted by victoryrunner
Here's how the 4Runner sits now.
Falken Wildpeak A/T3's LT285/70R17
Mamba Offroad M23 Wheels -12 Offset 4.53 Backspacing
3" BDS Suspension
Victory 4x4 Strike Rock Sliders/Steps
Victory 4x4 Blitz Bumper w/tube (available without)
Victory 4x4 Roof Rail Crossbars
Victory 4x4 Molle Storage Panels
Victory 4x4 Engine/Transmission/TCase Skids (still prototyping)
I'll make a post for each product with more photos.
Here is a link to the website so you can check out what's currently available. If you have any questions let me know!
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Lookin good! Nice build
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01-24-2019, 11:03 AM
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Personally, I'd love to see aluminum sliders. I'm no rock crawler, but would love an option to have more protection and less snag points than steps, without carrying around ~120lbs of weight. If a set of aluminum sliders was half the weight of a steel set and cost about 50% more I'd be real interested. Looks like you guys don't do a lot of work with aluminum, and I'm probably in the minority anyways but hey, you asked!
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Introductory Pricing
We currently have introductory pricing going on.
15% off all 4Runner products!
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Is this discount still valid? Or possibly a diff code now?
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