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Victory 4x4 New Product Prototyping (Armor & Accessories)

Hey everyone, Iím Cam from Victory4x4! We are a manufacturer located in Michigan. We operate out of 32,000sqft. We do all of our cutting, bending, welding, powder coating in house. Some of you might know our sister company, JcrOffroad, which has made Jeep armor for almost 16 years.

I bought a 2017 Magnetic Gray SR5 4Runner this past summer and love it. So to start here is the before photo.

I will be posting new products here as well as prototypes.

What would you like to see produced for the 4Runner?
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Update

Here's how the 4Runner sits now.

Falken Wildpeak A/T3's LT285/70R17
Mamba Offroad M23 Wheels -12 Offset 4.53 Backspacing
3" BDS Suspension

Victory 4x4 Strike Rock Sliders/Steps
Victory 4x4 Blitz Bumper w/tube (available without)
Victory 4x4 Roof Rail Crossbars
Victory 4x4 Molle Storage Panels
Victory 4x4 Engine/Transmission/TCase Skids (still prototyping)

I'll make a post for each product with more photos.

Here is a link to the website so you can check out what's currently available. If you have any questions let me know!

Victory 4x4 - There & Back
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Victory 4x4 5th Gen Sliders

Here are some details on our sliders.

Our tube sliders for the Toyota 4runner are designed to be used as a step as well as protect your rig. They are proudly made in the USA are available in a 2 stage satin textured black powdercoat over durable zinc primer finish, or in bare metal.

• Main structure built from 2x3x3/16" box tubing.
• 1 3/4" round outer tubing. Tube gussets useable for safe step entry.
• Bolt-on installation.
• Some drilling required for offroad use.

Someone had a question about how they are mounted so here's some more info on that.

They are frame mounted and have 3/4" gap between the slider and the pinch weld to allow for some flex on a full weight drop.

If you are only using them as a step, the bottom mounting holes will not need to be drilled, but they are necessary for offroad use as they prevent the slider from being pushed up into the body.

Strike Rock Sliders | 5th Gen 4Runner (14+) - Victory 4x4
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Blitz Front Winch Bumper

Here is some info on the factory integrated winch bumper.

Our Blitz winch bumper for the 5th generation Toyota 4Runner is designed to integrate with your factory front bumper fascia for a clean look with maximum recovery options. This made in the USA bumper features an integrated 20" lightbar mount, 3/4" recovery tabs, plus provisions for many industry standard winches. It's available with and without a tube. A fairlead block off plate is included for those that don't yet have, or need, a winch. The bumper is available in a 2 stage satin textured black powdercoat over durable zinc primer finish, or in bare metal.
CNC cut and formed from .188" steel.
Includes 1.75" x .120" tubework for added grill protection.
Compatible with most 8-10k non-integrated solenoid or removable selenoid winches.
Some integrated winches will fit with a power steering return hose reroute
Built-in provisions for a 20" light bar (22" max mounting width)
Proudly designed and made in the USA.
Does not fit Limited trim 4Runners

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What would you like to see produced for the 4Runner?
Personally, I'd love to see aluminum sliders. I'm no rock crawler, but would love an option to have more protection and less snag points than steps, without carrying around ~120lbs of weight. If a set of aluminum sliders was half the weight of a steel set and cost about 50% more I'd be real interested. Looks like you guys don't do a lot of work with aluminum, and I'm probably in the minority anyways but hey, you asked!
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Thanks for this. This time last year there were 3 serious skid plate offerings after 8 years of 5th gen production. Suddenly, we are getting 3 more?

I think that what one expects with 6 vs 3 is a bit of a downward price adjustment.

If I were in your shoes, I would:

--try to reduce the prices, especially of easy skids like transmission skid.
--offer 3/16 steel we can drag over rocks plus aluminum and 1/8 steel that offers more coverage than stock. Only RCI offers affordable aluminum prices. Only BudBuild offers 1/8 steel which is what most need, actually.

--optimize front skid plate for minimum ground clearance loss under front edge
--ensure that front skid is even better supported than the good competition, for example, strengthen the crossmember were the middle supports of RCI or BudBuild plates attach.
--offer a tight fit rear differential skid that does not cost 300. 150 would be nice. It is not as essential, but needed to preserve drain plug and appearance.
--Offer rear LCA bracket skids that don't require drilling.
--Offer gas tank skid that has strong front and not just bottom and that attaches using the factory holes but not the gas tank strap holes!
--Offer a hitch skid plate/rear bumper skid plate that does not cost 160 like Skidmark and that does not interfere with the spare tire like the new one sold for 100 everywhere including 4WD parts.

Provide good info on the website about why the skids are better and provide pictures inside and out of each plus mounted.

Btw, I did not drill the hole for my pax side Shrock slider underneath the crossmemember and I have dragged that slider over rocks with no issues.
For sliders, Shrock offers superb powdercoating and cheap. That's about the one big difference between the models with sufficient strength. Also, most sliders are now pushing 1000 when finished, which is crazy.

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It is also an option not to get any sliders. They lose you a good 3" of ground clearance so unless you can drag them, you will be better off without when it comes to their primary function. 17" of stock rocker clearance is plenty even for normal difficult trails and where sliders are really required only steel will do. But it is true that side protection is also a thing especially in forested areas and tight washes in the desert. I don't know if aluminum can resist being pressed from the side as well as steel. But I think you do have a point when it comes to side protection.
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I really like the bumper. Lead times appear great too.
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It is also an option not to get any sliders. They lose you a good 3" of ground clearance so unless you can drag them, you will be better off without when it comes to their primary function. 17" of stock rocker clearance is plenty even for normal difficult trails and where sliders are really required only steel will do. But it is true that side protection is also a thing especially in forested areas and tight washes in the desert. I don't know if aluminum can resist being pressed from the side as well as steel. But I think you do have a point when it comes to side protection.
You're totally right, and right now I've got no sliders/steps/running boards and no issues. But sometimes I think it would be nice to have a bit of a step of some sort to help my wife get in. I don't want to go with something like nerf steps because of the clearance issues, but don't "need" full sliders. I go round and round on this and who knows if I'll ever do anything about it...
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Looks like you guys are not to far from me.

Do you do installs as well?
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Thanks for this. This time last year there were 3 serious skid plate offerings after 8 years of 5th gen production. Suddenly, we are getting 3 more?

I think that what one expects with 6 vs 3 is a bit of a downward price adjustment.

If I were in your shoes, I would:

--try to reduce the prices, especially of easy skids like transmission skid.
--offer 3/16 steel we can drag over rocks plus aluminum and 1/8 steel that offers more coverage than stock. Only RCI offers affordable aluminum prices. Only BudBuild offers 1/8 steel which is what most need, actually.

--optimize front skid plate for minimum ground clearance loss under front edge
--ensure that front skid is even better supported than the good competition, for example, strengthen the crossmember were the middle supports of RCI or BudBuild plates attach.
--offer a tight fit rear differential skid that does not cost 300. 150 would be nice. It is not as essential, but needed to preserve drain plug and appearance.
--Offer rear LCA bracket skids that don't require drilling.
--Offer gas tank skid that has strong front and not just bottom and that attaches using the factory holes but not the gas tank strap holes!
--Offer a hitch skid plate/rear bumper skid plate that does not cost 160 like Skidmark and that does not interfere with the spare tire like the new one sold for 100 everywhere including 4WD parts.

Provide good info on the website about why the skids are better and provide pictures inside and out of each plus mounted.

Btw, I did not drill the hole for my pax side Shrock slider underneath the crossmemember and I have dragged that slider over rocks with no issues.
For sliders, Shrock offers superb powdercoating and cheap. That's about the one big difference between the models with sufficient strength. Also, most sliders are now pushing 1000 when finished, which is crazy.
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I think this is pretty much spot on.

The gas tank skid should be able to bolt to the OEM skid mounting points. I fabricated one for my 4Runner that does that. It wasn't particularly challenging to do. The front mounting point does need to be recessed a bit - but you can just use the OEM skid from a TRD OR/Pro to measure and make a jig. I think the skid from your SR5 is only a partial coverage skid unless they changed skids on the SR5.



My .02 is that sliders should not need drilled holes. There are so many mounting points on the frame rails that they should be designed to bolt on. Use the pinch weld as a support point and you can drop the weight and make them bolt on without drilling. Also if you don't already know - the Trail/TRDOR models come with KDSS as an optional feature. It's a hydraulic sway bar link system. What matters to you is that the engine skid is different between the two and also the KDSS accumulator (hydraulic manifold with reservoirs) is located on the frame rail and the sliders may not fit around that system without being engineered to do so. So it's most likely that your SR5 sliders do not fit KDSS equipped models. And for sure your engine skid will not fit.

You may or may not also know that the GX460 and Prado 150 share the same platform. So it would be worth test fitting your products on a GX and offering the parts that fit both in both markets. They share the same frame and suspension with the KDSS equipped 4Runners, but they have a v8 - so exhaust fitment is going to be different. And of course the body is different.

A better rear diff skid would be nice. I'm not sure if you have the manufacturing facilities to do the ideal design (few manufacturers I'm aware of do - or would spend the $ for the die set to do this, but since I'm daydreaming... - a stamped formed plate that fits very tight. The most important function of a rear diff skid would be to protect the pinion flange. A really good hit on the pinion flange can crush the crush-sleeve and end up with a loose pinion bearing preload that ultimately causes problems down the road.

I would try to modify the engine skid you have to protect the lower control arm cam bolts in the front. They get really hammered if you go play in the rocks. A LCA skid is unnecessary, but protection for the LCA cam bolts and flanges would be valuable. Otherwise I like your design. It fits tight and looks good!

If you do have the tooling to stamp 1/8" sheet - some stamped skids could cut the weight significantly and still be stronger than most of the formed plate options. No one is puncturing the steel plate. It's the rigidity that is the driver of thicker plate.

These fit and are already available, but not easy to get in the USA. If you could stamp them in 1/8" mild steel they'd be a great option.



The front winch bumper looks great BTW. My suggestion on that would simply be to offer without any cutout for the light bar. Should be easy to do. Also offer without the tow hoops. I think there is at least some market for one without those things for a cleaner look. And show pics of the structure on the backside. It's something most of us would want to see before buying - and as soon as the first person gets one, they're going to post pictures anyway.

As for new products:

A kaymar style rear tire carrier. Put the tire relatively low. Off to the side so you can see out the back. And keep the weight low. Like this:


Good luck!

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Thanks for this. This time last year there were 3 serious skid plate offerings after 8 years of 5th gen production. Suddenly, we are getting 3 more?

I think that what one expects with 6 vs 3 is a bit of a downward price adjustment.

If I were in your shoes, I would:

--try to reduce the prices, especially of easy skids like transmission skid.
--offer 3/16 steel we can drag over rocks plus aluminum and 1/8 steel that offers more coverage than stock. Only RCI offers affordable aluminum prices. Only BudBuild offers 1/8 steel which is what most need, actually.

--optimize front skid plate for minimum ground clearance loss under front edge
--ensure that front skid is even better supported than the good competition, for example, strengthen the crossmember were the middle supports of RCI or BudBuild plates attach.
--offer a tight fit rear differential skid that does not cost 300. 150 would be nice. It is not as essential, but needed to preserve drain plug and appearance.
--Offer rear LCA bracket skids that don't require drilling.
--Offer gas tank skid that has strong front and not just bottom and that attaches using the factory holes but not the gas tank strap holes!
--Offer a hitch skid plate/rear bumper skid plate that does not cost 160 like Skidmark and that does not interfere with the spare tire like the new one sold for 100 everywhere including 4WD parts.

Provide good info on the website about why the skids are better and provide pictures inside and out of each plus mounted.

Btw, I did not drill the hole for my pax side Shrock slider underneath the crossmemember and I have dragged that slider over rocks with no issues.
For sliders, Shrock offers superb powdercoating and cheap. That's about the one big difference between the models with sufficient strength. Also, most sliders are now pushing 1000 when finished, which is crazy.

@kjbenner
It is also an option not to get any sliders. They lose you a good 3" of ground clearance so unless you can drag them, you will be better off without when it comes to their primary function. 17" of stock rocker clearance is plenty even for normal difficult trails and where sliders are really required only steel will do. But it is true that side protection is also a thing especially in forested areas and tight washes in the desert. I don't know if aluminum can resist being pressed from the side as well as steel. But I think you do have a point when it comes to side protection.
Thanks for the reply! I'll keep you updated on skids. As for our sliders, they are $599 bare and $749 with zinc primer and textured black powder coat. You lose less than 3" of clearance with them and the body protection is huge. (Offroad protection or parking lot door ding protection). Mine kept my door off of a tree the first time out in the woods.

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Damn, I really like the look of that bumper and the sliders, nice work
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Would it be possible to get this bumper without the LED cutout? It does look great on your bumper, but I refuse to be that guy who puts a light bar on his truck. I do not ride trails at night and they are illegal any other time.
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