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Old 01-27-2019, 10:26 AM #16
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I find it hilarious how every time one of these Pro vs XXXX threads comes up, how many non-Pro owners crawl out of the wood work to bash on them. We are all here as fans/owners/enthusiasts of the 4Runner platform so regardless of the trim package and subsequent suspension why would someone piss all over another's truck just because of its color/badges/shocks/etc.?

I opted to not get KDSS, it certainly has its place and it'll be on the 200-series we are buying here soon, but I have also seen a lot of issues with it as the system ages, it's not the perfect solution like some on here like to believe. Can someone buy a Trail/TRD OR and make it an overall better performing truck than a stock Pro, well duh, how many times must we beat this dead horse? Some people don't want to modify beyond stock, some simply want a certain color, or the top tier package, or better resale value, or maybe they just like the badges and wheels more, who TF cares. At the end of the day it's their money, their time, their vehicle and ultimately their individual happiness. Your opinion means diddly-squat and no matter how great one thinks their less expensive Trail/TRD OR with KDSS and/or modified aftermarket suspension is, nothing will ever make it a Pro when it comes time to sell, like it or not that's the reality.

Buy whatever makes you happy (that includes the SR5) and let the haters run their mouths.
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OP asked a good question that turned into a sh!t-storm.
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Original test platform for the TRDP had KDSS. Most of us suspect it was removed due to costs (while also diminishing trim differences with the Trail), some say otherwise.

Stock OR/Trail does indeed come with sh!t CO’s and rear shocks but it is also a wearable, easy to replace/upgrade. I have mixed feelings about the stock ride, it is great in corners, it is comfortable in most conditions, nose dive is terrible (don’t forget crappy stock tires also amplify this effect as they deform under heavy load transfer). Having added premium suspension, the ride is an order of magnitude better, although the truck is heavy and the way the weight is balanced seems to be the issue with nose dive, while improved it still happens.

TRDP comes in some nice colors (one of the OP’s reasons for upgrade) Painting a truck to match your tastes is far more expensive than upgrading suspension. So if you want the color, just do it.

There is also the option of simply replacing current trucks stock suspension with new TRD Fox.

I would take all our opinions with a grain of salt and just go out and do some test drives, or find a rental and rent one for a week.
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Yes because the trail suspension is SO good. They have tiny ass shit shocks plus the nose dives so bad when you get on the brakes and body roll. The kdss is your saving grace. You need to upgrade the suspension to compete with the pro ride quality.
Who says I’m running oem suspension....

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...17x8 wheels...
I believe they're 17x7
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I believe they're 17x7
Indeed....even more worthless
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I own a 2015 trail. I swapped out factory for Fox 2.0 front a rear. I also have Camburg UCA. But the ride was was night a day. I really felt the difference when Offroad hitting hard bumps and holes. The factory suspension parts had about 30,000 miles when I swapped. I would also imagine swapping to Fox 2.5 and King 2.5 would be far superior ride quality than my 2.0s.
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It won't be better riding. It put the Bilstein setup on my trail with kdss and the pro suspension is better.
No, it is not. There is no magic. Those are just as good (same as previous years) shocks and KDSS works.

So what is the reason it is “better”? Actual physical reason? It certainly wallows around more.

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Indeed....even more worthless
In what way? Do you put 305 on it? For 275 or stock 265 they will work better. You want narrowest rim your tires can fit for off-road.
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In what way? Do you put 305 on it? For 275 or stock 265 they will work better. You want narrowest rim your tires can fit for off-road.
If you have to ask....
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If you have to ask....
Yes, I do. 17x7 wheels are better for our stock or +1 wheel size, especially 5lb per wheel lighter. One thing genuinely better about pro trim (and cost me $450 net to get, including spare to include in rotation) after Craigslisting takeoff. And someone picked stock rubber as well for $400. Couple hours of trouble.

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Trail/Off Road with KDSS to ‘19 Pro

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No, it is not. There is no magic. Those are just as good (same as previous years) shocks and KDSS works.

So what is the reason it is “better”? Actual physical reason? It certainly wallows around more.
I'm just stating my opinion. I had the trail bone stock and with the Bilstein pro setup. I own the 2019 pro and the fox setup on the pro is better. I honestly don't care what you say or think. I gave an actual response to the guys post unlike most of you.
Also since you want to know how they're better please read this thread. Fox vs Bilstein TRD Pro

"FOX and Bilstein both build great quality high end shocks. The shock model used in the TRD Pro is a high level consumer grade shock. Not really in the same category as the model of Fox used in the TRD Pro fox systems. The Fox shocks should be better at everything. Better fast. Better slow. And everything in between.

The reason is that they are multi stage internal bypass shocks, so they have dampening variability through out the range of travel. That opens up a much greater ability to tune for better performance. Better than almost any aftermarket shock for the 4runner."

I also never stated that kdss didn't work.

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I'm just stating my opinion. I had the trail bone stock and with the Bilstein pro setup. I own the 2019 pro and the fox setup on the pro is better. I honestly don't care what you say or think. I gave an actual response to the guys post unlike most of you.
Also since you want to know how they're better please read this thread. Fox vs Bilstein TRD Pro

"FOX and Bilstein both build great quality high end shocks. The shock model used in the TRD Pro is a high level consumer grade shock. Not really in the same category as the model of Fox used in the TRD Pro fox systems. The Fox shocks should be better at everything. Better fast. Better slow. And everything in between.

The reason is that they are multi stage internal bypass shocks, so they have dampening variability through out the range of travel. That opens up a much greater ability to tune for better performance. Better than almost any aftermarket shock for the 4runner."

I also never stated that kdss didn't work.
Placebo effect and marketing. No valving in shocks can replace or replicate active sway bars. Pro wallows on a mountain road. Position sensitive damping do nothing for that. Even with shocks much better than this warmed over Fox.

6112 and KDSS, with a 1” rear lift with matching springs is undeniably better than 2019 pro on and off road, and just as reliable as stock ORP. At any cost - I can buy any car I want - just an objective evaluation.

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Placebo effect and marketing. No valving in shocks can replace or replicate active sway bars. Pro wallows on a mountain road. Position sensitive damping will do nothing for that.

6112 and KDSS, with a 1” rear lift with matching springs is undeniably better than 2019 pro on and off road, and just as reliable as stock ORP. At any cost - I can buy any car I want - just an objective evaluation.

Did you actually drive such a setup against 2019 Pro? I did.


Kdss is "active" under 12 MPH. 6112 don't hold a candle to the fox 2.5s on the pro. At any cost I can too. That's why I have the pro dawg. If you actually read the whole thread you'll see where I stated what I've done. You've tried to act like you have a bigger dick and you've lost. I had a 2016 trail with kdss. I changed the stock springs/coils for the Bilstein pros and the fox are better. Put those 6112s on a non kdss 4runner and you'll see the fox suspension is better.
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Placebo effect and marketing. No valving in shocks can replace or replicate active sway bars. Pro wallows on a mountain road. Position sensitive damping will do nothing for that.

6112 and KDSS, with a 1” rear lift with matching springs is undeniably better than 2019 pro on and off road, and just as reliable as stock ORP. At any cost - I can buy any car I want - just an objective evaluation.

Did you actually drive such a setup against 2019 Pro? I did.


Kdss is "active" under 12 MPH. 6112 don't hold a candle to the fox 2.5s on the pro. At any cost I can too. That's why I have the pro dawg. If you actually read the whole thread you'll see where I stated what I've done. You've tried to act like you have a bigger dick and you've lost. I had a 2016 trail with kdss. I changed the stock springs/coils for the Bilstein pros and the fox are better. Put those 6112s on a non kdss 4runner and you'll see the fox suspension is better.


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