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Not going to get too far into the debate on push button (it's not keyless, you still have a key) start. But, I rent cars a lot for work, and even the most basic Nissan or Hyundai sedan I get has this feature now. Maybe if you use it every day its good, or if it's better implemented. On these cars, I still have to get the fob out and push the unlock button, so now the keys are not in my pocket and it totally defeats the purpose. And for me at least, I don't want the huge key fob in my pocket while I'm driving, so I have to find a place for in in the console. With a normal ignition, I know where the keys are.

As far as the new TRDs are concerned, I will say the rack on the Sequoia looks pretty good. A better version of the FJC and current TRD 4Runner rack.
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Not going to get too far into the debate on push button (it's not keyless, you still have a key) start. But, I rent cars a lot for work, and even the most basic Nissan or Hyundai sedan I get has this feature now. Maybe if you use it every day its good, or if it's better implemented. On these cars, I still have to get the fob out and push the unlock button, so now the keys are not in my pocket and it totally defeats the purpose. And for me at least, I don't want the huge key fob in my pocket while I'm driving, so I have to find a place for in in the console. With a normal ignition, I know where the keys are.

As far as the new TRDs are concerned, I will say the rack on the Sequoia looks pretty good. A better version of the FJC and current TRD 4Runner rack.
I also really like the looks of the new rack. I wonder if we can fit it onto the 4runner. I'd also be curious to see the load capacity for it - roof top tent??
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Went to the show today, didn’t have the 2020 on display to where you can see the interior. But it did have a side exit TRD exhaust, which was listed on the card.
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Not going to get too far into the debate on push button (it's not keyless, you still have a key) start. But, I rent cars a lot for work, and even the most basic Nissan or Hyundai sedan I get has this feature now. Maybe if you use it every day its good, or if it's better implemented. On these cars, I still have to get the fob out and push the unlock button, so now the keys are not in my pocket and it totally defeats the purpose. And for me at least, I don't want the huge key fob in my pocket while I'm driving, so I have to find a place for in in the console. With a normal ignition, I know where the keys are.



As far as the new TRDs are concerned, I will say the rack on the Sequoia looks pretty good. A better version of the FJC and current TRD 4Runner rack.


Every push button start Toyota I’ve driven unlocks the doors automatically when you slip your hand into the handle. Doors lock when you either touch the button on the handle (older style) or just touch the touch point on the top of the handle.

I do like the Sequoia rack better.




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Went to the show today, didn’t have the 2020 on display to where you can see the interior. But it did have a side exit TRD exhaust, which was listed on the card.
I wonder if the TRD exhaust that you saw is standard or is an available option? For the Sequioa, an available option is the TRD cat-bat exhaust. Exact words from the press release:

"Sequoia TRD Pro will also be available with a TRD cat-back exhaust. The single-outlet exhaust features a black chrome tip and TRD debossed logo, offering a bolder exhaust note that TRD engineers designed with a frequency-tuned sound cancellation device to improve in-cabin sound quality."

I haven't read anywhere about the 4Runner having an optional TRD exhaust. But you saw it there at the show and the 2020 4Runners photo page shows a close up of the TRD exhaust tip. 2020 4Runner TRD Pro | Toyota
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I also really like the looks of the new rack. I wonder if we can fit it onto the 4runner. I'd also be curious to see the load capacity for it - roof top tent??
Probably wouldn't fit, but the old style trail edition side rails will and they're higher than the current rails, so mounting a tent is not problem. Just get better crossbars. Use 8020 aluminum extrusions or unistrut. The current side rails will work too, they're just lower.
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Every push button start Toyota I’ve driven unlocks the doors automatically when you slip your hand into the handle. Doors lock when you either touch the button on the handle (older style) or just touch the touch point on the top of the handle.

I do like the Sequoia rack better.




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Maybe I've just never noticed or tried on the rentals I get. I'll try next time.
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Any news about remote start on new models?
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Any news about remote start on new models?


Many of the Entune 3.0 allow remote start via your phone. It is called Remote Connect. It isn’t verified if it works that way the for 4Runner, though. Sienna, CH-R, and Mirai don’t support it, for example. It is a subscription service on the other vehicles after 6 months. $80/yr or $8/mo.


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Really?! Pushing $50,000.00 ahhhhh it ain't any better then the 5th! Anyway,
Don't we buy these thngs to get out into the bush to camp? So guess you can say, we want to leave the "modern world" and live like it was 1890!

Shiiiit, when the EMP hits none of these are gonna work anyway. Wish I had a FJ55! No damn computers and will knock the socks off any 4Runner!

Just sayin'.
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Really?! Pushing $50,000.00 ahhhhh it ain't any better then the 5th! Anyway,
Don't we buy these thngs to get out into the bush to camp? So guess you can say, we want to leave the "modern world" and live like it was 1890!

Shiiiit, when the EMP hits none of these are gonna work anyway. Wish I had a FJ55! No damn computers and will knock the socks off any 4Runner!

Just sayin'.
Except the FJ55 was notoriously prone to rust, and testing of modern cars showed that EMP blasts have very little effect. No effect if the car is off and minor temporary malfunctions if it's running. Engine shut off is possible, but the cars restart without lasting damage in most cases. Think I'll keep my modern car...

Look up EMP Commission testing if you don't believe me.
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I might be in the minority here, but I'm glad I grabbed an 18 pro before they started adding all these features. One of the great things about it is the simplicity and being able to work on it / upgrade it yourself. There were very few things to break, and no nannies installed. Not to mention this will put the starting price well above 50k.
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You are not the minority. There are others here who fear technology also.
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People actually do need to shame needless tech.

The reason is that a lot of car engineering is designed around a useful 15-30 year lifespan. But now all this tech crap is being pushed on cars to make them become useless after 5 years instead of 15-30. And yet they still want us to spend the same money we did for something that used to last longer.

I say demand better. Keyless entry is great until Year 5, when you have to pull the key out anyway cuz the car loses awarebess of you walking away. Or pixels start burning out in the infotainment display and Toyota wants new retail price for a 5 year old technology replacement. And God help you once you become reliant on adaptive cruise control and it stops working.

So don't hate on the folks who want to call out the madness of making vehicle purchases based on tons of little convenience gimmicks instead of forcing Toyota to spend their R&D money on useful, long-lasting core features.

Like, get excited about something like Toyota adding direct and port injection to the 4.0L some day that bumps it to 25mpg, or a front locker, not because they added some passive safety tech or little screens or doodads that will be broken before you've paid off the car.

The only folks who should get excited for that stuff are serial leasers or trade-in addicts, who are Ok with losing $5,000+ in depreciation every 2-3 years because they're rich. And props to you, but that's $15,000+ in 3 trade in cycles that could've gotten an ROI if invested and bought you a turtleback trailer. So is it worth it?

The same exact value prop exists today for cars as 50 years ago.
4ish wheels that get you around without it being likely you'll get hurt, at around 75mph top speed, lasting at least 200,000 miles before you need replacement.

Everything else that's just a convenience item should be considered unnecessary if it can't either be very cheap to fix or last at least half the life of the car.


I was going to post a long rant this morning but you said pretty much what I wanted to say.

The iPhone in my pocket has more advanced tech than any vehicle I can buy. Slap it into a vent clip and you’ll have the latest navigation, the ability to stream any music service through Bluetooth and access to unlimited information. And it’s much easier to update or replace.

I’m looking for useful updates that will give me more power and better fuel mileage. And give me a heated steering wheel!

God forbid you tap someone with your bumper at 3mph. The costs to repair all of those radar sensors is astronomical. With the huge repair costs, your insurance just doubled.


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About 8 years now with keyless push button start and I’ve had to change the FOB battery once. Oh the horrors of tech.

Now all they are only basically adding are a updated head unit with Car Play plus some sensors that are pretty much standard on most vehicles and that’s a bad thing?

You guys be crazy.
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