Originally Posted by TRD_Mike

I'll play ball here and give some info from my experiences, I will never buy another CBI product again! My front bumper which was supposed to be complete and shipped to me between 8-10 weeks took almost 24 weeks but the 16th week mark they just kept saying soon and it was done and waiting on shipping then at 20 weeks they told me it was complete and being shipped finally at 22 weeks I was informed that now it is shipping. I received the bumper only to find it damaged and it was not damaged from shipping. The shipping crate and packaging was in perfect condition but underneath the foam and wrap that didn't have so much of a smudge on it, there were multiple gouges, scrapes, and scratches. I was missing parts along with finding plenty of powder coating discrepancies only to be told that's how its supposed to look when powder coated. Fast forward 2 weeks I finally get down to Expo east and my first order of business was to confront CBI which I did and I wanted their rear bumper at the time but was very hesitant. We came up with a "solution for the crap powder coat shipping issues and other things and I was assured on an 8-12 week shipping time max on the rear bumper so I ordered. Well, here we are week 15 and nothing. I was ignored for 3 weeks I was at one point again told my bumper was complete and ready to be shipped 2 weeks later told that my bumper was still in production and they had no idea when the completion date was or when it would ship or anything of the sort. So I emailed back and said I was going to cancel the order and the response I received was in not so many words ok cancel it if you'd like (as if they didn't give a shit to lose a customer because they don't). They did not try to do any sort of customer retention or any sort of customer service or figure out a solution so I did just that and I canceled my order and I have since ordered a C4 rear dual swing out. I am very happy with my choice and although I'm set back another 12 weeks I would rather wait longer and not sport and promote a CBI rear bumper and would rather use a C4 bumper which after a lot of research I think is a better product than the CBI bumper anyway!

Originally Posted by comtn4x4

I would seriously consider the single swing. From what I've seen there is no issue with movement and I feel confident that Caleb has it well designed. The latch/carrier design for the single swing is completely different. Also, the convenience of a single latch and a larger camp table are great. The table on the Dual swing is a bit small

As far as cost goes keep in mind you'll need to put some sort of coating on it. Powder coating for mine was $600

Originally Posted by Tejas

Wait, at $3K it still isn't even powder coated? Damn!!! I went back and read all of the fine print, sure enough, ships bare steel. Wow, so I'll be all in over $3500 with this bumper, wooooo, definitely takes the breath away lol.

I see you went with the dual arms, does this mean that if you did it again that you would opt for the single arm the second time around? It does appear that there is a larger latch on the single arm design. I need to call C4 and ask a few questions before I order this thing.

One big attraction to their bumper is the lack of cutting, I like the idea of simply removing the factory plastic bumper and installing this one.

Originally Posted by Tejas

Sadly this sounds like very similar practices that go on at Expo1 and have people there screwed on $3K bumpers as well. It's insane how overwhelmingly common this type of thing has become in this industry. I understand it happens in all hobbies/interests where startups and small shops blow up over night, but it seems like a trend in this industry more than others. It's enough to turn someone away from the whole "overland" thing altogether.

Originally Posted by dktxt4r

If anyone here is close to the north Dallas, Texas area and is going to upgrade to an aftermarket rear bumper, let me know if you're going to get rid of your OEM trail or pro rear bumper. I'm in the market for one.

Originally Posted by blue2016

Just finished putting the SSO rear bumper on this past weekend.

Originally Posted by Tejas

So you did not get the swing out? I am curious as to how the swing out locks in place when open. It's hard to tell from the old grainy photos on their website.

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Originally Posted by Soccer13

Check out YouTube there is a guy on there that had the swingout shrockworks and I noticed a pretty large gap from bumper to rear cargo area. You will probably be able to see how it sits when the swingout is open too and how low it goes.

Originally Posted by Tejas

Wait, at $3K it still isn't even powder coated? Damn!!! I went back and read all of the fine print, sure enough, ships bare steel. Wow, so I'll be all in over $3500 with this bumper, wooooo, definitely takes the breath away lol.

I see you went with the dual arms, does this mean that if you did it again that you would opt for the single arm the second time around? It does appear that there is a larger latch on the single arm design. I need to call C4 and ask a few questions before I order this thing.

One big attraction to their bumper is the lack of cutting, I like the idea of simply removing the factory plastic bumper and installing this one.

Originally Posted by comtn4x4

Yes I would consider the single swing out. I'd probably drive up to their shop and take a look at theirs but the bigger table is a big plus in my mind. Let alone it's much easier to get in and out of. (think about how many times you'll be opening those swing arms!)
I remember seeing a video of the single swing out latch design at some point. I believe it was on Instagram. I was very impressed with the design of it.
As I said for me no cutting is key. I haven't had good luck with cut plastic body panels.

It is expensive. However, coating the bumper yourself you can control the quality of how it's coated. I know my coating is bullet proof because of who I used. I also know all the prep work was done correctly. And it didn't have to hod up to being shipped coated.
Also keep in mind very few of the quality rear bumper options are any less. (CBI, Expedition One, SSO and what Pelfrey was pre bankruptcy) C4 is keeping their production times in line by not having to send it out to be powder coated.

If you want to feel better about it consider this. I paid in full for a PelfreyBilt bumper I never received before I ordered a C4. Ultimately I'm really glad I don't have any Pelfrey stuff on my rig and I am 100% happy with my C4

Originally Posted by Soccer13

What rear springs did you upgrade to with the addition of the C4 rear? I currently have the Icon 2" rear springs, was hoping I could just keep them, but have a feeling ill need to upgrade to the Icon overland springs....

Originally Posted by comtn4x4

I love my C4. I'd highly recommend it

Originally Posted by Mutant138

IMO

Everything on the market for the rear is quite heavy and only a few address rear quarter protection.

Since just about everything run's 3 grand+ anyways with all the bells and whistles I was thinking about getting a custom tube bumper built. I have no idea how much that would cost I would just think it could be close or less.

orrr....

Does anyone know if the 3rd or 4th gens have similar measurements in the rear?

-Frame dimensions
-Width from taillight to taillight

What I'm getting at is... if everything lines up there are off the shelf items for other gens that might work.

Trail-Gear Rock Defense Bumpers 120109-1-KIT $432.75 think it's for a 1st gen but you get the idea.



Something similar on a 3rd


I always find plenty of tacoma options with proper rear quarter protection. Why is there basically nothing for the 5th?


I really like how this one goes all the way through the rear quarter panel. I would have no problems doing a chop like that (if even possible).