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Old 03-18-2019, 10:51 AM #31
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It's the same. Toyota OEM oil is made by Mobil.
My local dealer told me the same thing. Toyota oil is Mobil 1.
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My local dealer told me the same thing. Toyota oil is Mobil 1.
I was actually told the same thing by my Mobil rep at work BUT it's not Mobil 1 It's a completely different formula made specifically for Toyota to their spec.
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No one seemed to mention that there are quite a few Mobil 1 proucts these days in 0W-20 weight. 7 when I use their oil selection website. Even the TGMO formula was changed since it’s intro. I used it when I could find it at a reasonable price. Now I’ve been perfectly happy with M1 Extended Performance.

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First oil change at 2K miles with Toyota oil, 2nd at 5K miles was Toyota oil, 3rd at 10K miles was M1 Advanced Fuel economy and I thought the engine got louder but thought it was all in my head. 15K mile change is Valvoline SYNpower and I again feel like it got even louder. Issue is, I only put about 7500 miles a year on my 4Runner so these oil changes are done at different times of the year in different temperatures. When I change it at 20K I will be going back to Toyota oil and we'll see what happens. That'll be my own little test to see how quiet or noisy it is. Again though that'll be around August when the oil is thinner at start up so who knows.
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Just in process of buying a new 2019 4Runner.
First few oil changes will be at the dealer.

Just wondering if your local dealer, or mine hear in BC Canada might be able to cheap out?

Or would they have to buy the quality Toyota spec/mobil 1 oil discussed here?
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Just in process of buying a new 2019 4Runner.

First few oil changes will be at the dealer.



Just wondering if your local dealer, or mine hear in BC Canada might be able to cheap out?



Or would they have to buy the quality Toyota spec/mobil 1 oil discussed here?


You’ll be fine at the dealer. Relax.


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I switched to m1 at around 140k, and do 3k-5k OCI's. I can definately say that the one time I ran pennzoil it was much quieter than the m1. I was at the dealer yesterday and was quoted 6.42/qt for the toyota oil. I will be changing it this weekend and will update on noise. I may do a before and after video to capture the sound. I've been using the M1 high mileage EP. I'm at 167k now. I switched to m1 because after 140k of dealer changes I was developing sludge, and they never greased ANY of the zerk fittings. I did have a couple of OCI's past 10k, which may have helped the sludge develop. I also have other theories, but they are just that. That is why i do 3-5k changes now. Forthose of you using the dealer, check your zerks. Mine still had factory black coating on them at 140k! No grease would go in until I cleaned it off!
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Just in process of buying a new 2019 4Runner.
First few oil changes will be at the dealer.

Just wondering if your local dealer, or mine hear in BC Canada might be able to cheap out?

Or would they have to buy the quality Toyota spec/mobil 1 oil discussed here?

I don't know how things work in Canada. In the U. S. - car dealers buy oil in bulk. In many cases, they use ONE oil. That could be 5W-30; 5W-20, who knows. Whatever the dealer wants to use. Every car gets that ONE weight of oil whether it's what's called for or not.

People on another Toyota forum went "oh no no no...my dealer would not do that". A few techs chimed in and that was the end of that.

The only way you will ever get what you want for any vehicle you own is to supply the parts yourself and roll up your sleeves.
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I don't know how things work in Canada. In the U. S. - car dealers buy oil in bulk. In many cases, they use ONE oil. That could be 5W-30; 5W-20, who knows. Whatever the dealer wants to use. Every car gets that ONE weight of oil whether it's what's called for or not.

People on another Toyota forum went "oh no no no...my dealer would not do that". A few techs chimed in and that was the end of that.

The only way you will ever get what you want for any vehicle you own is to supply the parts yourself and roll up your sleeves.
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I switched to m1 at around 140k, and do 3k-5k OCI's. I can definately say that the one time I ran pennzoil it was much quieter than the m1. I was at the dealer yesterday and was quoted 6.42/qt for the toyota oil. I will be changing it this weekend and will update on noise. I may do a before and after video to capture the sound. I've been using the M1 high mileage EP. I'm at 167k now. I switched to m1 because after 140k of dealer changes I was developing sludge, and they never greased ANY of the zerk fittings. I did have a couple of OCI's past 10k, which may have helped the sludge develop. I also have other theories, but they are just that. That is why i do 3-5k changes now. Forthose of you using the dealer, check your zerks. Mine still had factory black coating on them at 140k! No grease would go in until I cleaned it off!
if you actually have sludge (which totally sucks btw) you may be better off using the Pennzoil Platinum (or Ultra Platinum) as its chemistry purportedly cleans internals better than other oils.
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Planning to do my 1st oil change soon. Any difference using Mobil 1 synthetic vs. OEM toyota 0-20 oil?
I believe most synthetics are similar. Any differences are probably just splitting of hairs.

The reason I say this is that I've owned quite a few Toyotas over the past 37 years, and have driven somewhere around 1.3 million miles in them. I've bought used ones and new ones (mostly used).

I used conventional oils until my 1988 4Runner, where I converted to Mobil 1 at around 100k miles. That Runner received 305,000 miles, and several other cars went well over 200k. With all those miles and engine types, I only had one engine that ever experienced a noticeable increase in oil consumption. That was a 2002 Chevy Prizm (i.e. Toyota Corolla 1.8 engine), and that engine had a design flaw that resulted in rings wearing prematurely (past 150k miles).

So for the next 300,000 miles, I bet you don't see any problems related to your choice of oil if you're using a good synthetic.

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if you actually have sludge (which totally sucks btw) you may be better off using the Pennzoil Platinum (or Ultra Platinum) as its chemistry purportedly cleans internals better than other oils.
I have read that somewhere as well, along with a bunch of other ideas like running ATF, SeaFoam, Rotella, etc. For me, engine runs great, filter comes out fairly clean at my 3-5k changes, and oil doesn't look bad. Havent pulled the valve covers or the oil pan, but did pull the OCV screens out and they had some sludge on them. cleaned them up and has been running good since.

I may give the Pennzoil another shot if I can find the Ultra for a decent price. They all have claims of this and that, but hard to verify any of it. thats why i just do short OCI's.
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Sludge is generally from going too long before changing your oil. Yeah I know Toyota says run it for 10K but that's BS IMO The same rep that told me the Toyota oil is made by Mobil also told me DO NOT run it for 10k, it will not hold up and is not designed for it by any means. No matter what oil I use, I will not go past 5K miles on it.
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Sludge is generally from going too long before changing your oil. Yeah I know Toyota says run it for 10K but that's BS IMO The same rep that told me the Toyota oil is made by Mobil also told me DO NOT run it for 10k, it will not hold up and is not designed for it by any means. No matter what oil I use, I will not go past 5K miles on it.
I'm quite certain that original conventional Toyota oil was just Mobil 5000. So not totally incorrect. OEM synthetic may be a Mobil product made specifically for Toyota.

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I'm quite certain that original conventional Toyota oil was just Mobil 5000. So not totally incorrect. OEM synthetic may be a Mobil product made specifically for Toyota.

Regardless, oil is oil^1000.
From what I was told, they do make it but to Toyota spec. It does not match any other oil they sell over the counter and is Toyota specific. Who knows, I just know the M1 definitely made my engine louder. We'll see what happens when I go back to Toyota Mobil lol

BTW, oil is absolutely not oil. Oils are by no means all created equally.
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