User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 05-14-2019, 02:21 AM #16
Decipher Decipher is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Chicagoland (Ugh)
Posts: 645
Real Name: B-Money
Decipher has a spectacular aura about Decipher has a spectacular aura about
Decipher Decipher is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Chicagoland (Ugh)
Posts: 645
Real Name: B-Money
Decipher has a spectacular aura about Decipher has a spectacular aura about
Quote:
Originally Posted by Volke View Post
Actually, tow ratings are mostly based on cooling capability, brakes for long downhill roads where they can overheat and wheelbase for stability at speed. Towing a boat 6000 lb boat 2 blocks won't do anything to your coolant and transmission temperatures. Torque transfer through the transmission is based on engine output, so whatever you try to pull won't hurt it. It's lack of cooling that breaks transmissions when towing. The brakes can manage for 2 blocks no problem and you don't have to worry about trailer sway at low speed.

Also, at 10% tongue weight, you won't be anywhere near max load of the tires. The stock 265/70R17 tires should be good to at least 2000 lbs depending on the brand, and you'd struggle to get much past 1500 lbs per tire with the boat attached unless you seriously mess up the tongue weight.

It really depends on how steep the ramp is and how well it is maintained. Biggest problem will be traction trying to pull the boat up the ramp and maybe the 4Runner doesn't weigh enough to prevent being pulled in if you have a steep and not well kept or wet ramp. For steep ramps, I'd say maybe go for it with 4Lo on the ramp if you want to risk sinking the 4Runner, but not a good idea with a 4x2.

For more gentle slopes, it will be fine.


Great information. Thank you. I do understand all of the ratings and mechanical considerations that go into tow ratings. Everything you said is correct and great for those who don’t understand. My point is about the inherent risk and liability of doing so. I know the temps won’t be a huge issue going such a short distance but again, the risk associated with exceeding recommendations is not worth the reward.

I have pulled many trailers and do so under emergency situations and responses for my job. I have launched boats from very unconventional locations and I’ve watched 3/4 ton 4x4 pickups get stuck on ramps with appropriate tow ratings for the boat. I actually helped recover one just the other day at training using my 4Runner. This boat far exceeds the recommended ratings of the Runner. Just because you “could” do something doesn’t mean you “should.”

OP, at the end of the day, it’s your rig and your boat and your ass if something goes wrong. If this is gonna be a common occurrence for you, I’d strongly consider getting an appropriate rig but hey, it’s your party. Please don’t hurt anyone else along the way.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
Anger Fuels Motion...Motion Fuels Momentum...Momentum Fuels Action...DO SOMETHING!

2010 4Runner SR5
Decipher is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-14-2019, 03:27 AM #17
nglayton's Avatar
nglayton nglayton is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Oregon
Age: 56
Posts: 1,273
Real Name: Neal
nglayton has a spectacular aura about nglayton has a spectacular aura about
MY GARAGE
nglayton nglayton is offline
Senior Member
nglayton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Oregon
Age: 56
Posts: 1,273
Real Name: Neal
nglayton has a spectacular aura about nglayton has a spectacular aura about
MY GARAGE
If Tundra can pull the space shuttle, I think the 4Runner will manage your boat just fine........

YouTube

YouTube
nglayton is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-14-2019, 06:56 AM #18
Paragon1's Avatar
Paragon1 Paragon1 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Melbourne, Fl
Posts: 411
Paragon1 is on a distinguished road
Paragon1 Paragon1 is offline
Member
Paragon1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Melbourne, Fl
Posts: 411
Paragon1 is on a distinguished road
Forget all the nonsense about needing 4WD to pull the boat out. Keep in mind most trucks have the highest towing capacity without 4wd. Additionally, consider the additional weight you'll have over the rear tires. I'd launch my boat (190 Boston whaler outrage w/dual axle trailer, with a full tank and gear i was pushing about 6000) out of the canaveral launch and its pretty steep, only used 2wd. You'll be fine, just keep it in low gear and keep the tires off the slimy stuff.

That being said, a pic of the launch ramp and boat would help.
__________________
2015 Silver TE: KDSS, ICON UCAs, Magnuson, NFab steps, Yakima, XD HID, Phillips LED fogs, LED interior, Fuel Maverick 18x9 w/ -12o/s, Duratrac 275/65/18, 5100's Leveled, SSS hybrid winch bumper, 30" Rough Country single row LED, AOB saquatch light switch (because awesome), Alpine ILX-F309 head unit & R line speakers, clear UV tint on windshield (it works), 15% on the doors, weathertech mats, pre-refresh roof rack, installed factory sliding tray.

Last edited by Paragon1; 05-14-2019 at 06:58 AM.
Paragon1 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-14-2019, 07:59 AM #19
MossJenks's Avatar
MossJenks MossJenks is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Lakewood, Colorado
Posts: 612
Real Name: KE0OIC
MossJenks will become famous soon enough MossJenks will become famous soon enough
MossJenks MossJenks is offline
Member
MossJenks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Lakewood, Colorado
Posts: 612
Real Name: KE0OIC
MossJenks will become famous soon enough MossJenks will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by YelloLab View Post
Much bigger 4x2 trucks rated for the weight fail on the ramp. If the ramp is wet and slippery on the bottom you will loose both truck and trailer. Here in Florida it happens every weekend. Go on youtube and watch.
And thousands more succeed every weekend. Nobody in Florida has 4wd.

This thread is silly. Nobody's gonna die pulling a slightly overweight trailer 2 f'ing blocks. Your Runner will do just fine as long as you can get traction. Be sure to check out the ramp conditions first then get video to show all of these ninnies.

It's amazing to watch trucks get bigger, heavier and more powerful every year but somehow the weight they can tow keeps going down. But don't listen to me - I've been foolish enough to pull a trailer with a Chevy Luv.

Oh, and try not to cause a 40 car multiple fatalities pileup on your 2 block run.
__________________
2011 4Runner SR5 Premium
Past:
1988 4Runner 22re, 1992 4Runner SR5 3.slow, 1998 4Runner SR5 5VZ-FE

Last edited by MossJenks; 05-14-2019 at 08:02 AM.
MossJenks is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-14-2019, 11:09 AM #20
Jetboy's Avatar
Jetboy Jetboy is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Utah
Posts: 3,430
Jetboy is a splendid one to behold Jetboy is a splendid one to behold Jetboy is a splendid one to behold Jetboy is a splendid one to behold Jetboy is a splendid one to behold Jetboy is a splendid one to behold Jetboy is a splendid one to behold
Jetboy Jetboy is offline
Senior Member
Jetboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Utah
Posts: 3,430
Jetboy is a splendid one to behold Jetboy is a splendid one to behold Jetboy is a splendid one to behold Jetboy is a splendid one to behold Jetboy is a splendid one to behold Jetboy is a splendid one to behold Jetboy is a splendid one to behold
Also for reference: GX460. Same chassis. Same rear axle. Tow rating: 6,500lb. The primary difference is that the GX has a transmission cooling radiator and a bolt on hitch that is a class 3. The OEM 4Runner hitch is a class ?? - somewhere between a 2 and 3. It's only bolted to the frame cross member, which is strong - but not as robust as the bolt on hitch used by the GX460. Neither of these will be an issue in a short low speed tow to the lake.

The only issue here is whether you can actually get enough traction to pull up the ramp. That of course as has been mentioned will depend mostly on the angle of the ramp and the surface. Places like Florida often have algae on the concrete that can be pretty slippery. In the northern states we don't have that as often.

The biggest issue I have putting my own boat in the water is usually the ramp being too shallow of an angle. I have a sailboat that takes a bit more water to float off the trailer, so I end up having to put the rear bumper in the water before I can get the boat to float off the bunks. My solution is an extension for the hitch that's about 3' long. I just install at the ramp if necessary. At some point I'll modify the trailer tongue to be about 3 feet longer. This is where the rear overhang of most trucks being much longer is pretty useful. The point here is that you need to recognize that you're going to need to get a foot or two closer to the water with the rear tires than you would in most trucks. Check out the ramp and see if that's an issue or not.

After last year's drought here the ramp at one of my local lakes was probably 100 feet from the edge of the water. You can see how far I had to get into the water to launch my boat in this picture. I would not even consider doing that in a 2wd. So... like others have said, it's really the 2wd that's the problem, not the tow rating.

Jetboy is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-14-2019, 12:23 PM #21
BobsTrail's Avatar
BobsTrail BobsTrail is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Salem, Oregon
Posts: 1,492
Real Name: BobH
BobsTrail has a spectacular aura about BobsTrail has a spectacular aura about
BobsTrail BobsTrail is offline
Senior Member
BobsTrail's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Salem, Oregon
Posts: 1,492
Real Name: BobH
BobsTrail has a spectacular aura about BobsTrail has a spectacular aura about
I had an F150 with one open axle and did fine with the weight of the boat and the drag of the water with a 28" pontoon boat. Go easy on the gas, don't give it enough power to spin a wheel. Creep up the ramp and make the torque converter generate heat, but it won't be for long enough to matter.

Others around me with smaller boats usually used plenty of power and sat there with a one wheel spinning. Not enough sense to go easy on the power.

Go out to the ramp one day and watch others to see what works and what does not.
__________________
2013 Shoreline Blue Trail, n-Fab steps, Bilstein 5100's, Toyo AT2s, Scuba Mod, Air Lift 1000, Yaesu FTM-3200DR (KI7IKX), Husky Liners

Last edited by BobsTrail; 05-14-2019 at 07:10 PM.
BobsTrail is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-14-2019, 03:12 PM #22
mike5 mike5 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: SoCal
Posts: 79
mike5 is on a distinguished road
mike5 mike5 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: SoCal
Posts: 79
mike5 is on a distinguished road
The potential issue with respect to damage is the torque converter, followed by the transmission.
__________________
2013 T4R TE
My Adventures
mike5 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-14-2019, 03:29 PM #23
Tuco S.'s Avatar
Tuco S. Tuco S. is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 100
Tuco S. will become famous soon enough
Tuco S. Tuco S. is offline
Member
Tuco S.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 100
Tuco S. will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by fastcat27 View Post
Hey guys! My Boat and trailer weigh 6,500lbs. you think i can tow it 2 blocks to the boat ramp and put it in? Do you think i have enough horsepower to get it back out? Thanks!
Horsepower/torque/braking shouldn't be an issue, as long as you keep the speeds low. Having enough traction to pull it up the ramp may be a different story. You're not just pulling a heavier object forward, you're pulling it at an upward angle. And unfortunately your drive wheels are located underneath the lightest area of your vehicle. If you could put a couple hundred pounds directly over the rear axle, it might help. I suspect you'll just spin your wheels.
__________________
2019 4Runner TRD Off-Road with KDSS in silver. Adds: Shrockworks sliders and oem led fog lights.

Hood swap?
https://www.toyota-4runner.org/want-...-vegas-nv.html
Tuco S. is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-14-2019, 04:28 PM #24
calcrc's Avatar
calcrc calcrc is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Montreal
Posts: 699
Real Name: Sebastian
calcrc is on a distinguished road
calcrc calcrc is offline
Member
calcrc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Montreal
Posts: 699
Real Name: Sebastian
calcrc is on a distinguished road
Try it and if you can't pull the boat back up the ramp call a towing lol !

Or ask the dude with the biggest truck near you to help you

Easy mode if you can put it in the water, have faith in your rig, lets go places they say!
__________________
2011 4RUNNER TRAIL KDSS
SHROCKWORKS Front Bumper - Rugged Ridge Winch 9500lbs - PIAA Lights - Hella Horns - SpiderTrax 1.25" - Airlift 1000 - 285/70R17 Duratracs - Borla Exhaust System - Wirthco Dual Battery setup - Deep Cycle AUX - Front OME Heavy Duty 2.5" Coils + NITROCHARGERS - Rear OME 3" Coils + NITROCHARGERS
calcrc is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-15-2019, 03:16 PM #25
Bayou_Pro's Avatar
Bayou_Pro Bayou_Pro is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Addis, Louisiana
Posts: 843
Bayou_Pro is a glorious beacon of light Bayou_Pro is a glorious beacon of light Bayou_Pro is a glorious beacon of light Bayou_Pro is a glorious beacon of light Bayou_Pro is a glorious beacon of light
Bayou_Pro Bayou_Pro is offline
Member
Bayou_Pro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Addis, Louisiana
Posts: 843
Bayou_Pro is a glorious beacon of light Bayou_Pro is a glorious beacon of light Bayou_Pro is a glorious beacon of light Bayou_Pro is a glorious beacon of light Bayou_Pro is a glorious beacon of light
Quote:
Originally Posted by mike5 View Post
The potential issue with respect to damage is the torque converter, followed by the transmission.


Heat would be the only thing that could damage those components. He's only pulling 2 blocks so that wouldn't come into play hear. On a long tow then absolutely you are correct.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
Paul


2016 TRD Pro, Mag Gray. Mods: SSO Sliders, Bilstein 6112 Front Springs, Dobinson 599 Rear Springs, GY Duratrac LT285/70R17s, Spidertrax 1.25" Spacers, Morimoto LEDs (Lows, Highs & xB Fogs), Full LED Interior Lights....More to Come
Bayou_Pro is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-15-2019, 06:09 PM #26
MossJenks's Avatar
MossJenks MossJenks is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Lakewood, Colorado
Posts: 612
Real Name: KE0OIC
MossJenks will become famous soon enough MossJenks will become famous soon enough
MossJenks MossJenks is offline
Member
MossJenks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Lakewood, Colorado
Posts: 612
Real Name: KE0OIC
MossJenks will become famous soon enough MossJenks will become famous soon enough
It should be clarified that the tow rating on a vehicle is not the max weight a vehicle can tow for 10 feet without breaking. Heck, recently on The Grand Tour they pulled a 13,000 ton ship 20 feet with a little Citroen without breaking it.

Instead the tow rating is an indicator of how much weight a vehicle can safely tow across country, through the mountains, at highway speeds, etc. without running away, being crashed from too much sway on the highway, etc. Any vehicle can tow WAY more than it's tow rating at slow speeds on flat ground.

In our litigious society these ratings have become WAY more conservative over the years. In Europe people tow boats and camping trailers all the time with little cars. My buddy in France tows a sizeable camping trailer with a Renault Clio (a TINY little car).

I once towed a 2500lb trailer with a 2000lb Honda CRX and the fact that I'm typing this proves I survived the experience - so did the Honda: last time I heard it was still running with 340,000 miles on the odometer.
__________________
2011 4Runner SR5 Premium
Past:
1988 4Runner 22re, 1992 4Runner SR5 3.slow, 1998 4Runner SR5 5VZ-FE
MossJenks is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-15-2019, 07:22 PM #27
Dillusion Dillusion is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Hawaii
Posts: 691
Dillusion is a jewel in the rough Dillusion is a jewel in the rough Dillusion is a jewel in the rough Dillusion is a jewel in the rough
Dillusion Dillusion is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Hawaii
Posts: 691
Dillusion is a jewel in the rough Dillusion is a jewel in the rough Dillusion is a jewel in the rough Dillusion is a jewel in the rough
I didn't see anything on this either nor have I had experience but now a days I can just see a sue job coming to if anything were to happen if you knowingly went over the rating.

Sad to say but everyone is looking to sue someone.
__________________
2018 TRD OFF ROAD
My Build
Dillusion is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-24-2019, 10:48 AM #28
HouseboatRat HouseboatRat is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Bakerspatch, Kalifornia
Posts: 4
HouseboatRat is on a distinguished road
HouseboatRat HouseboatRat is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Bakerspatch, Kalifornia
Posts: 4
HouseboatRat is on a distinguished road
Definitely

But dont plan on stopping too quickly.
HouseboatRat is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 09-16-2019, 04:52 PM #29
fastcat27 fastcat27 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Tallahassee, FL
Posts: 20
fastcat27 is on a distinguished road
fastcat27 fastcat27 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Tallahassee, FL
Posts: 20
fastcat27 is on a distinguished road
Update

I've been launching and pulling the 6500lb boat and trailer without any problem as well as towing the boat 7 miles to the gas station and back.
__________________
Thanks,

Darrell

2016 SR5 4x2
fastcat27 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 09-16-2019, 04:58 PM #30
mrblah mrblah is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: san diego
Posts: 1,630
mrblah is a splendid one to behold mrblah is a splendid one to behold mrblah is a splendid one to behold mrblah is a splendid one to behold mrblah is a splendid one to behold mrblah is a splendid one to behold mrblah is a splendid one to behold
mrblah mrblah is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: san diego
Posts: 1,630
mrblah is a splendid one to behold mrblah is a splendid one to behold mrblah is a splendid one to behold mrblah is a splendid one to behold mrblah is a splendid one to behold mrblah is a splendid one to behold mrblah is a splendid one to behold
im here for the post action video
__________________
2016 sr5 2x4 Mall rated edition:
Current peasant build: spacer lift 3 inches, lots of plastidip, sr5 wheels w/ 265s, lots of LED lights, and lots of overlanding stickers and sponsored stickers. faking it with the IG crowd since 2016.
mrblah is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Reply

Tags
boat , horsepower , put , ramp , tow

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
4WD question - How to handle slippery boat ramp with 4th gen V8? IndyJRL Off-Roading 4 08-27-2018 05:58 PM
4WD question - How to handle slippery boat ramp with 4th gen V8? IndyJRL 4th Gen T4Rs 3 08-05-2018 06:35 PM
Differential lock on boat ramp? robtmc 4th Gen T4Rs 19 11-19-2015 07:51 AM
V6 capability pulling a boat up a ramp? robtmc 4th Gen T4Rs 34 11-13-2014 04:48 PM
Boat Ramp story... CJ3Flyr 4th Gen T4Rs 17 06-13-2009 08:18 AM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:18 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
***This site is an unofficial Toyota site, and is not officially endorsed, supported, authorized by or affiliated with Toyota. All company, product, or service names references in this web site are used for identification purposes only and may be trademarks of their respective owners. The Toyota name, marks, designs and logos, as well as Toyota model names, are registered trademarks of Toyota Motor Corporation***Ad Management plugin by RedTyger
 
Copyright © 2019


Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.