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I have a lot of this stuff in my T4, took a trip in our Sienna last week to areas where I should have taken the T4 instead. Did not have much with me and was out of cell area. Not the best planning on my part, and no recovery items. No place to use them anyway on a Sienna.

When the highway ends it's 4Runner time with tools, recovery and other stuff as suggested.
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I like your whole list, especially the survival gear, the third part of your list. Most of that gear is always in my car.

Here in dry, arid So Cal I carry a couple of gallons of drinking water all the time. One gallon+ is in a cheap, well-rinsed liquid laundry detergent bottle with a push button spout (reuse, reduce, recycle) for washing up after a hike or dirty job. I carry at least a gallon of good, filtered drinking water in several reusable quart containers (REI). Most of the door pockets are full of sports water bottles for drinking while driving. I'm a heavy drinker and prefer water over anything else.
Water is definitely one of those things that I've started carrying a lot more spending time in the desert. I didn't used to. I figure with a gallon of water and some sunscreen - I can cover quite a few miles to get help if I had to. When I'm going somewhere remote I take more than a gallon of course.

I try to always offer to fill up any hikers/bikers I see out in the remote areas just to help make friends with other user groups. It's really easy to bring another gallon or two just for that. It costs almost nothing to have a spare gallon, and is probably as cheap a way to help keep a positive image of our group of users than anything thing else I could do. They don't always take a re-fill, but often they will. I find that mountain bikers around southern Utah are the group most likely to be low on water. I haven't often found hikers to run low.
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This is an interesting thread. I have not done any off roading yet, as my 4runner is not ready. I had no idea of all the equipment needed to carry. That's like 400 lbs of recovery and repair gear.

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It kinda depends on what you're doing and where you're going. Most of the stuff isn't necessary for daily driver duty. I remove most of mine for my drive to work. But some of it is just easier to leave in place than move in and out. If you're going to more remote places - some of these things are safety items, other ones are mostly just handy to have. I've literally never broken anything on my 5th gen out on a trail. And it's never broken down. The only emergency thing I've used on my own vehicle was the jumper battery pack. But I have broken lots of stuff on other vehicles.

For starting out - I'd suggest tagging along with someone who's done it a lot before and likely has all the tools. You really don't need a full set in every vehicle. For me it's mostly stuff I carry because I go out alone a lot.

If you ever go with an offroad club - they generally will have a minimum set of stuff you'll need that includes some sort of radio that everyone will use to talk to each other, a first aid kit, tow strap, and fire extinguisher. Less than $100 will get you all of that stuff. Mostly just basic safety stuff and a way to talk to people in other vehicles so a group of vehicles can proceed at a reasonable pace. Mostly CBs are still used. If I'm leading a group I prefer to be on CB with most people and HAM with the person in the back so we can have our own discussion off the main channel.

A good first aid kit is the one thing that is worth having. Especially if you're spending time in the back country or you like to mountain bike, rock climb, or other outdoor activity. It could save a life - even if it's not yours. Bad things can happen and usually are the result of someone making bad decisions. I've been around plenty of bad situations and I've made more than enough bad decisions myself. You can make your own or buy some pretty good prepackaged ones.

As for tools - I think you could buy a basic set of wrenches, some duct tape, water, maybe just a bag of granola bars, a bic lighter, pocket knife, and you could be pretty good for most places without spending a lot of $. If you are reasonably handy you could survive for quite a few days on just that set of stuff in most places in most conditions.
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This is an interesting thread. I have not done any off roading yet, as my 4runner is not ready. I had no idea of all the equipment needed to carry. That's like 400 lbs of recovery and repair gear.

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I agree with @Jetboy about it all depends on what you do. @Jetboy drives the Rubicon Trail and has a rock crawler, that's a different ball game.

You have a 4Runner so its ready. My very first exploits where 400 dirt miles on a Subaru Tribeca with zero tools, zero anything, and no proper spare. That includes muddy Southern Utah 40-mile long roads. Not a great example to follow but we never got close to having an issue. Then I added AT tires and a foldable shovel. Never got stuck in that Subaru or my next Outback which saw a lot of offroading. Solo with kids to boot (I did get stuck once in another of our Subarus--one that "never" goes offroad, lol).

Overtime, I accumulated the basic recovery gear everyone carries, mostly out of courtesy. However, there is a separate thread for recovery gear. There is no need to go overboard, but it is also wrong to be like me at the start and have nothing at all.

As for tools, you don't really need any tools until you start pushing the envelope on either the size of rocks or the speed.

I do nowadays carry tools that would allow me to do something about the suspension, a variety of "band-aid" tools like different sizes and types of zip ties and so on and so forth, 12v impact wrench, breaker bar, ratcheting this and that, etc. But the reason is that now we do some difficult trails solo and we also do more remote desert driving than before. And it all fits in two kinda small boxes on the roof basket or in one midsize box in the back when the roof basket is not mounted (which is usually the case).

If you stick to trails rated moderate in the Charlie Wells book--his updated Arizona book is coming early next year; he was here 2 months ago re-driving all his 100 trails--and avoid obviously dreadful weather conditions, you need only very few and basic items.

BUT, I always carry 5 gallons of water when on a desert trail, no exceptions. I do carry less on Sedona and Flagstaff trails which are shorter and milder in terms of weather.

So, yeah, I'd say if there are three things I consider actually required that would be water, first aid kit, and the other one is good tires. If on a trail that you cannot walk out of, you want to have someone know what to do if you don't check in by X hour or have satellite communication.

Of course, the above assumes that every important component on the vehicle is in really good condition, starting with the battery (I do always carry a jump starter nowadays).

EDIT: I guess the bottom line is that carrying nothing like I once did is wrong but that if you read too many forum posts, you will need a semi to carry the stuff you "need"
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Water is definitely one of those things that I've started carrying a lot more spending time in the desert. I didn't used to. I figure with a gallon of water and some sunscreen - I can cover quite a few miles to get help if I had to. When I'm going somewhere remote I take more than a gallon of course..
We now carry our 5 gallon jug for any desert trail and depending on the trail also more water on the side, in case the container craps on us. Individual bottles so that we can carry water if needed, too.

And that's considering that we drive zero desert miles from mid-March to October.
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Thanks for the posts. They were very complete and. Informative. I will get that book. By the way, I would never get a Prius.

It all makes sense. There is a 4runner club here I should look in to.
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It all makes sense. There is a 4runner club here I should look in to.
You're welcome.

Yeah, I would wait for his new book to be published. If you get the current one, I can tell you some of the changes he is making.

He lists the recovery etc equipment that is generally considered necessary as well as all the basic driving techniques.

It is a complete guide.
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What are some essential and/or needed tools to keep in the vehicle?

Glock 19 and 2 spare mags
Tow strap
Craftsman tool kit
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Gloves ,rain pants , rubber gloves, baby wipes
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- Vehicle trauma bag (nearly identical to my deployment bag)
- Set of two way radios
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- ammo can with tie downs/tape/rope
- 2x MREs
- 2x Headlamps
- Baby wipes
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No I haven't. Are you thinking about the strap slipping out and sling-shotting back or something?
Thread jack. But NO, this is very important.

You NEVER want to hook up a tow or snatch strap to a tow ball. Please get yourself the proper tow shackle



The tow ball has, and will shear off creating a 2inch missile that will take out anything in its path, including your head.





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most of what is posted above +

12 bottles of water, 3 in each door.
2 tiedown straps
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a full change of clothes, jeans, socks etc
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You NEVER want to hook up a tow or snatch strap to a tow ball. Please get yourself the proper tow shackle



The tow ball has, and will shear off creating a 2inch missile that will take out anything in its path, including your head.





Great pix there. Good lesson.

On the gloves I would clarify both leather or garden gloves for working + medical gloves for really dirty tuff. Mechanics use them; why shouldn't I?
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