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Old 05-19-2019, 11:27 AM #1
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Winch suggestions - weight ratings

On the 20184R with a warn semi-hidden bumper what winch would you suggest for basic recovery, mostly the vehicle itself. Iím not clear on the weight weighting. Would I need a winch that supports the weight of the vehicle? In this case it seems the minimum would be 6000 lb winch?

Trying to keep the weight in consideration given the bumper and winch will add a good amount of weight. Iíd want a synthetic rope as well.

Any suggestions on a winch that wonít break the bank would be appreciated
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Rule of thumb is 1.5 times GVWR so typically people would recommend 10,000 pounds for the 4Runner.


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Don't cheap out, get a good one with plenty of capacity. I was stuck in a snowbank last month and looking at a tree across the way. A winch would have had me out quickly. I waited for a built Jeep to pull me out.
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10k is pretty standard. I went ith a 12k b/c the price and weight was marginaly more and it was the same size
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I might be wrong but if you are asking this question, are you sure you actually need a winch in the first place?

Maybe you will wheel in forested areas in spring, etc, but it is question worth asking.

Are recovery boards and chains insufficient for the intended use? Chains can go a long way in mud. Recovery boards have a good rep for sand though I have never used mine.

A winch is hard-core equipment that requires careful maintenance and use. It is very hard to stay current on how to do something, if it is only used once every couple a years. And then there are the on road disadvantages.

If it will be needed with some regularity, then that's different.

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A winch is hard-core equipment that requires careful maintenance and use. It is very hard to stay current on how to do something, if it is only used once every couple a years. And then there are the on road disadvantages.

If it will be needed with some regularity, then that's different.
I think that might be a little dramatic.
I've had winch on my daily driver since about 1990. I can't recall any on road downsides unless you're anal about weight/mpg.

Keep in mind, a winch has many more uses than just vehicle recovery. Once it's mounted you'll find all sorts of uses for it.

You can't go wrong with a Warn. I own 2 of them. Personally for my 5th Gen. I went with the Zeon Platinum 10-S I love the wireless remote (except for the battery life sucks) I use mine almost monthly for loading trailers, unloading trailers, pulling stumps, straightening fences, hoisting an elk (or two!!) and just all around general stuff.

On my 3rd Gen I have a XD9I. Both great winches, that never let me down.

If you're going to invest in a tool, don't limit the usage to just in case, emergency type usage only. That's just nuts.
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If you're going to invest in a tool, don't limit the usage to just in case, emergency type usage only. That's just nuts.
Well, yeah, that's exactly what I am saying, buy a winch if you know you will actually use it, don't buy a winch just because it may be used one day.

Since you have had a winch for decades, would you need to ask on a forum what rating is needed if you change vehicle? I don't think so. But a person who needs to ask that question may not need a winch at all.
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Thanks. Iím not real sure a I need a winch at this time. Just trying to understand the usage and weight ratings for now. My thought was if I did get the warn bumper, to get a winch installed while itís all apart, but it seems easy enough to add later. I agree probably recover sleds and a comealong will probably new sufficient for now.

Follow up on this, with added weight of a bumper and winch, I hear that will drop the front end a bit. I have the Bilstein 6120, would one upgrade the coil or just put a spacer in, or increase the lift height? My guess is the former.
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Thanks. Iím not real sure a I need a winch at this time. Just trying to understand the usage and weight ratings for now. My thought was if I did get the warn bumper, to get a winch installed while itís all apart, but it seems easy enough to add later. I agree probably recover sleds and a comealong will probably new sufficient for now.

Follow up on this, with added weight of a bumper and winch, I hear that will drop the front end a bit. I have the Bilstein 6120, would one upgrade the coil or just put a spacer in, or increase the lift height? My guess is the former.
@nglayton obviously knows his stuff and can help you with usage.

As for the coils, maybe ask that question in the 6112 thread to get more visibility. They do now offer a heavier spring, I am not sure if the 6112 that goes with it is any different. But I am sure you will find someone in the 6112 threads to give you a precise answer. Probably less likely if you wait on a response in this thread.
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Follow up on this, with added weight of a bumper and winch, I hear that will drop the front end a bit. I have the Bilstein 6120, would one upgrade the coil or just put a spacer in, or increase the lift height? My guess is the former.

If you have room to go up on your clip setting them just do that. If you are already maxed out then you'd need to upgrade to the 650# springs. Lots of guys are doing the upgrade of they are adding bumpers and winches.



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Thanks. I’m not real sure a I need a winch at this time. Just trying to understand the usage and weight ratings for now. My thought was if I did get the warn bumper, to get a winch installed while it’s all apart, but it seems easy enough to add later. I agree probably recover sleds and a comealong will probably new sufficient for now.

Follow up on this, with added weight of a bumper and winch, I hear that will drop the front end a bit. I have the Bilstein 6120, would one upgrade the coil or just put a spacer in, or increase the lift height? My guess is the former.
All the input everyone has provided is great. One big factor for me to "needing" a winch is will you be out alone. If not, you probably don't, recovery straps would be plenty. Come alongs are a great idea but a pill to use. I'd go the recovery board route and don't get too crazy. If you're not intending to get stuck you can generally avoid it.
As far as new coils or re working your suspension goes this is where the worm hole begins. I'd try and plan your mods out to see where you think your going and get it all in order. For me, about a year after I lifted my truck I added a full bumper and winch and my lifted suspension could barely handle it. It only got worse from there, do one thing, adjust another etc. It's fun but can be difficult to get everything dialed in without a big expense all at once.
Bottom line yes you will probably need new coils if you add all that weight to your front end. You can get new coils for your front end. Brand doesn't matter pick what you want. However, as you build the weight up on the front end the dampening of the OEM similar Bilstein coils won't be sufficient to handle the load and those will need replaced also to get the performance back in line.
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Imo, a 9K would be perfect for a 4Runner. Harbor Freight for a good price or Warn if you don't care and run a synth line to save weight over a 12K that weighs a lot on the front end.
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All the input everyone has provided is great. One big factor for me to "needing" a winch is will you be out alone. If not, you probably don't, recovery straps would be plenty. Come alongs are a great idea but a pill to use. I'd go the recovery board route and don't get too crazy. If you're not intending to get stuck you can generally avoid it.
Also excellent deciding factors, and valid reasons to own a winch, especially the one I bolded about being out alone or even not alone but perhaps, the only one with a winch within a day or several hours drive. (yes, that's me as well)

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Thanks. Iím not real sure a I need a winch at this time. Just trying to understand the usage and weight ratings for now. My thought was if I did get the warn bumper, to get a winch installed while itís all apart, but it seems easy enough to add later. I agree probably recover sleds and a comealong will probably new sufficient for now.

Follow up on this, with added weight of a bumper and winch, I hear that will drop the front end a bit. I have the Bilstein 6120, would one upgrade the coil or just put a spacer in, or increase the lift height? My guess is the former.
Running 6112s on highest setting (with KDSS) with a C4 lo pro and 10k winch. Ride isnít too bad but it seems abit more floaty after installing them. Ride height didnít drop much but I am strongly considering 650lb springs in the future.
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