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Old 05-21-2019, 11:50 PM #16
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I’ve just moved back to Fort Bragg/Fayetteville area and decided to take my 2017 SR5 out to UWharrie OHV trails for the last three weekends in a row.

First weekend I was able to get a 1/2 half through most of the of the way through moderate trails with little skid plate scrub on factory Dunlop ATX and completed the easy trails. Mind you it was very try and had not rained in a while so it was dry and my only concern was old ruts and rocks.

Two weeks ago, it was much more so muddy and I’m glad I just got Pathfinder ATs installed the day prior. Had a more difficult time getting through the moderate trails but I was still able to get through the easy trails with no issues.

Look forward to see you out there. I might be out there with weekend with a group.

Uploaded a quick clip of the OHV trail. Very easy portion.

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Despite my modifications over the years, I still say the 4Runner is immensely capable of running in stock condition. Just keep an eye on clearances and be away of step side rails if you have them.

Getting yourself some serious skid plates, tires, and rock rails will get you places you cannot believe!
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Very capable! A lot of people think they need a bunch of modifications for offroading but that's just not the case. Add-ons and modifications just give you marginally better capability and better body protection. I always recommend that people go out stock and them figure out what additions they want to add.

Do consider ditching the steps. It's hard to see exactly what yours are like but if they're not designed to be sliders they're probably attached to the body rather than the frame and also will bend rather easily and get pushed up into the body. In either case you can end up with body damage where without them you would have cleared the object easily.
^ and that. I could not agree more. A small lift and good armor relieve stress on normal difficult trails, but they can be done fully stock with care. Beyond those, look at @WhiteBoomer04 's signature line

Of course all that applies to going places, seeing things. Driving OHV parks or very hard and extreme trails is a sport best left to dedicated trail rigs.

One thing to watch for while on fully OEM suspension is that it will dive right over the rock you want to avoid if braking late. It is incredibly soft. For the same reason you can bottom out front and rear very easily on rough desert roads if you pick a modicum of speed, but this is about the Southwest.

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Tires alone will really unleash a ton of the 4Runners potential. That said we have done some pretty amazing things with stock SR5 with stock tires! I suspect there was some scrapes/damage to body on a stock rig on Broken Arrow! A little lift on that trail is very helpful.
Not really and no danger to body that I see. We ran it a month after purchase last year and had a minor scrape on the gas tank skid only. We ran it a month ago again, this time with full 3/16 skids and sliders and 1.25" front lift and dragged the sliders a bit and the muffler got scratched as I took a direct line instead of a bit diagonal at the step that is after the circular rock and before the very sharp right turn where you change direction to go towards the Devil Staircase. The Devil Staircase is straightforward unless you somehow manage to fall in the big hole at the start (the wheels "naturally" go where they need due to the width of the trail/location of hole).

Crown King as of this last winter actually has two mandatory spots that are harder than anything on Broken Arrow and one of them will likely mangle the stock skids (I dragged my 3/16 over the step).
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Even though I am new here, I have been wheeling for many years. Best advice is the same as others have said. You should learn what your vehicle and you can do with your Stock truck. Then modify if needed! First mod I will on mine, is tires. Second rocker protection/sliders. I love going places in a stock 4x4 and seeing the look on others faces! How did you do that! There are not many vehicles made that can go and do what your stock 4Runner can! Vance.
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Y’all NC folks might want to check out Hatteras and Ocracoke Islands. My stock SR5 does just fine there.
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Tires are limiting factor way before ground clearance, etc.

Just had a friend take his new Jeep out with stock tires, he ended up on a grass hill, zero traction. He came VERY close to rolling it. Had to call a tow truck to winch him out. $900 later he learned a lesson and went and bought AT tires. Pretty cheap to add leveling spacers up front for some more clearance.

Sell the stock tires while they are still fairly new. When I bought mine I had the dealer switch out the wheels and tires day 1 so I could sell the stock set. Still need to get them up for sale....
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Just had a friend take his new Jeep out with stock tires, he ended up on a grass hill, zero traction. He came VERY close to rolling it. Had to call a tow truck to winch him out. $900 later he learned a lesson and went and bought AT tires. Pretty cheap to add leveling spacers up front for some more clearance.

Sell the stock tires while they are still fairly new. When I bought mine I had the dealer switch out the wheels and tires day 1 so I could sell the stock set. Still need to get them up for sale....
Yeah, the stock tires are worthless. That's the one thing I changed within a week of ownership.
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You can go many places off road with your T4R completely stock. Ive done hard packed dirt trails, beach (sand), and a few easy rocky roads. Unless you are ready to go hard core, you’ll be fine. Prepare to pick up a few scratches from shrubs and tree branches. Also, running boards will hit in various situations if you are not careful. Otherwise Enjoy!
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Yeah, the stock tires are worthless. .
“Not exactly” as the old Hertz ad said.

For example in sand aggressive tread tends to dig you in rather than “floating” over the sand. Aired down bald is really best, as us old guys who had only rear wheel drive before the 4WD rage knew, so stock tires with less aggressive tread is better in deep soft sand.
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Fail to see how the stock tires are useless. I haven't hit any snow yet but I have had zero problems even in deep mud pits. As much as I want to upgrade to a larger more aggressive tread but the stocks work fine for me in the time being.

Other than that I wish I was a bit taller for all the river stones out here. I will lift asap. Stock skids are taking a licking.

Drive it stock figure out what you need.
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The first year I had it, I drove Megaweapon all over Nevada and parts of the Mojave desert, basically stock -- stock suspension, stock skid plates, stock bumpers, etc. I did put all-terrain tires on it.

It's a very capable vehicle straight off the lot.
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“Not exactly” as the old Hertz ad said.

For example in sand aggressive tread tends to dig you in rather than “floating” over the sand. Aired down bald is really best, as us old guys who had only rear wheel drive before the 4WD rage knew, so stock tires with less aggressive tread is better in sand.
I absolutely agree for beach driving but not for trail use even if the trail is sandy.

Even when adequate, street tires are awful on dirt. I have never done one single mod on a vehicle because "the internet told me so". Every single change starting 10 years ago with AT tires on a different vehicle has been a response to my own experiences on trail.

But I agree with you on rage and fads. It is getting nuts. The good thing is the crowds stick to the "internet fame" trails. We had two difficult Moab trails to ourselves yesterday while half the world was on Hells Revenge. We also drove a moderate trail where we only found 1 vehicle, a fully stock 4R that had stopped at the start of the final, moderate 1 mile. The stock tires would have handled that mile but they would have been a disaster on the trail we drove prior to that one.

So of course short absolute statements are usually wrong but using the 4R to capability requires AT tires.
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I absolutely agree for beach driving but not for trail use even if the trail is sandy.

Even when adequate, street tires are awful on dirt. I have never done one single mod on a vehicle because "the internet told me so". Every single change starting 10 years ago with AT tires on a different vehicle has been a response to my own experiences on trail.

But I agree with you on rage and fads. It is getting nuts. The good thing is the crowds stick to the "internet fame" trails. We had two difficult Moab trails to ourselves yesterday while half the world was on Hells Revenge. We also drove a moderate trail where we only found 1 vehicle, a fully stock 4R that had stopped at the start of the final, moderate 1 mile. The stock tires would have handled that mile but they would have been a disaster on the trail we drove prior to that one.

So of course short absolute statements are usually wrong but using the 4R to capability requires AT tires.
Re short, absolute statements, I should have indicated deep soft sand
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Great thread!

Great thread - I was thinking of starting up something similar. I too am not likely to do any real mods apart from tires and maybe sliders (but probably not - got other savings priorities lately).

Anyway, here's my offroad playlist on youtube: YouTube.

So far a lot of it is from when I still had my Xterra, but as time goes on there will be more TRD ORP footie - just haven't got around to it yet. CO has had an epic winter and I got the 4Runner last fall so there hasn't been a ton of chances to get out just yet.

Anyway, my early impressions are that the 4runner is head and shoulders more capable than the Xterra and the Xterra made up over Imogene Pass pretty well, so as a benchmark, I think we can assume the 4Runner will be able to do all of that and more.

All the youtube videos have links to trail details in the descriptions.

I haven't had the time get the Imogene Pass footage up just yet, but here are the links to the route:
Imogene Pass - Colorado Offroad Trail
and then the link up to get down the other side:
Yankee Boy Basin - Colorado Offroad Trail

Also for reference, I managed to link-up these two trails in the Xterra. Again, I know this isn't directly answering the question but I think it's relevant data.

Deer Creek - Colorado Offroad Trail
Saints John - Colorado Offroad Trail

My thoughts thus far are that the stock t4r can handle anything rated at 5 or less on TrailsOffRoad.
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