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Old 07-22-2019, 11:13 AM #76
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My cargo area holds my campsite, photography gear, clothes, and some misc. regularly needed things. My entire second row belongs to my dog. So I have 2 cases on the roof for things I don’t need as often: tools, misc. emergency stuff (ex: tire patch kit), camp shower, dirty clothes, day hiking pack. I will also use the roof as a photography platform in some cases.

But mostly the ladder will just look cool.
Thanks for the info. I can definitely see it useful in your case for photography to get onto the rack and also for putting gear up there.

If i recall you also have the SSO rack. I believe that it could be good in the rare case that i need to put gear ip there as well, but when i have the tent on it pretty much takes up the whole rack. I was hoping that i could fit
Some rotopax up there but the tent is bigger than i thought. I may get the ladder as well just because as you said it looks cool and can be useful in certain cases. Will have to put some thought into it. For me the main use case would be rotopax
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Thanks for the reply! I have a smittybilt xl tent on my rack now and there is no room to walk up there or even to store anything really. There is basically no room for anything else, not even rotopax on the roof. I may consider the ladder simply for rotopax if anything. I thought there would be more room up there, but as it stands it seems it would nullify the usefulness of the ladder except for accessories.
I will be doing some Rotopax for water for sure. I found this on Amazon, spout down on the Rotopax would make it super convenient to refill water bottles, wash your hands, etc. . Though it needs some sort of cover for all the dust back there (maybe just a ziplock with a rubber band)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B073RQ7DTP...v_ov_lig_dp_it
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@c4_fabrication

I waited until after the issue was "resolved" before I placed my order (June 25th). The ladder arrived a few days later. I finally got around to installing it this afternoon.

I can definitely confirm the top plate I received does not sit perfectly flat. When you start the process it looks like it will, but by the time you've finished and everything is bolted down tight, it does not sit flat.

I would highly recommend using something along the edge of the cargo door that can protect the paint, regardless of the issue being fixed or not.

Update: I received a message from C4. The issue may be able to be resolved with some adjustments using this plate. The top plate I have should be a fixed one. I’ll try to make some adjustments and report back.

Update 2: Per C4's instructions, I made some tweaks to the bolts attaching the ladder to the top plate. This improved the situation slightly, but it doesn't sit flat yet. I'm going to reinstall in a couple weeks after I'm back from Colorado. If I still can't get it flat, I'll be driving by C4's shop in September, and I'll make a pit stop.



As mentioned, it doesn't really happen until you bolt everything down, so it wasn't until the process was completed that I noticed it. The paint is probably already scratched a little, though it's on the back edge of the door so you will never see it. I'm going to reach out to C4 about a replacement.



As far as the rest of the process goes, do a number of dry runs before removing the sticky tape. You will have to make adjustments. The instruction measurements were not perfect. Once you're absolutely sure that everything is aligned, then remove the sticky tape and bolt everything.

In order to get the top plate to sit flat (side-to-side), I had to position these bolts in extreme opposite ends of their respective slots.


The top plate will then rest flat at the 3" mark (per instructions) side-to-side on top of the vehicle.




This part of the process was very inaccurate for my 2018 TRD OR.


In order for the top plate to sit flat and the ladder to be perfectly level both horizontally and vertically, the correct measurement was 9".




Bolting the ladder to the bottom plate was a lot easier than I thought it was going to be. To be honest, you can probably finesse it with 1 person, if you needed to. With 2 people, it was extremely easy.



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Other notes:

* Would be nice if the ladder came out a bit farther from the vehicle. Pretty difficult to use the ladder without your toes hitting the cargo door. Not a huge deal though, and not having to worry about backing into things is nice.

* The powder coating looks nice, but scratches quite easily. As soon as you bolt anything down, the powder coating in that spot will scratch right off. It's actually probably the aluminum itself that is scratching off.

* If you have the SSO rack, this ladder will allow you to completely open the cargo door without impacting the final 2" angled crossbar!!!!!

* The stock struts for the cargo door are ALMOST strong enough to lift the door with the ladder installed. It only takes a very weak nudge to give it the energy it needs. If you let go of the door, at worst it will stay in position. I'll be in Colorado next week without installing new struts yet and I'm not even mad.

Update: If you have the window down, the struts will struggle. The OEM struts will only hold the door all the way open if the window is up.

* Overall, I'm happy with the ladder. I just need an appropriate top plate. I fits my needs and the few accessories you can get for it are nice, too. Would be cool if you had to option of anodizing (or whatever) the hardware.
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fj cruiser ladder on 4r 5th gen

any try to mount a fj cruiser ladder to a 4runner?
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Update

I had the same issues with vertical alignment. More like 9 inches on the bottom. Absolutely test fit and align before pulling tape. There is adjustment on the top bracket and you can only reach one of two bolts after installing. (I would flip the bolts and nuts C4)

Nuts on bottom bracket have gouged my bumper. I am going to try and push it up if I can anymore. There is more room to had there, (enough room for airbag valves for example) so a slight change in the bracket hole locations would solve the issue. Bummer though

Nothing to do with C4 really, but the HD struts are acting strange to me. I live at 5,000 ft, I was at 12,000-8,400 ft last week and they couldn’t lift the tailgate at all. A sealed system, doesn’t make sense. Though this has been a mountain topic for years. Strange, working now back at home.
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Nothing to do with C4 really, but the HD struts are acting strange to me. I live at 5,000 ft, I was at 12,000-8,400 ft last week and they couldn’t lift the tailgate at all. A sealed system, doesn’t make sense. Though this has been a mountain topic for years. Strange, working now back at home.
Did you have the window down the second time?
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Did you have the window down the second time?
Lol...maybe....

I just went outside and tested. I likely did have the window down several times, and yes it will not lift fully but makes a good effort, maybe not making that last 20%. But at altitude it had next to zero lift window up or down. No biggie, just not making sense. Glad it is working now back at home.

Several comments on the trip about how cool the C4 ladder is.
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Lol...maybe....

I just went outside and tested. I likely did have the window down several times, and yes it will not lift fully but makes a good effort, maybe not making that last 20%. But at altitude it had next to zero lift window up or down. No biggie, just not making sense. Glad it is working now back at home.

Several comments on the trip about how cool the C4 ladder is.
I installed the C4 ladder recently. At first I thought the struts were weakening, but then I realized whenever I had the window down the struts would have a difficult time with all that weight out on the end.

With the window up, my gate will hold itself open at any position. I have to help it up a bit, but it can hold the weight.
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Any updates on the C4 ladder? I ran this summer with a roof top tent, and was climbing up on the roof a lot to tie down the tent and ladder.

I like the looks of the Gobi too, different than the C4 but I love the C4 products. Currently running it as a skid plate and I've been quite tempted by their rear bumper.

Just wondering if that top plate issue has been resolved.
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