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Going to MOAB but will be flying out there. Going to rent a 4wd for a day to do some wheeling but all I see is jeeps and ATV's, so looks like will probably rent the jeep. Any insider scoops or tips for the area?
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Going to MOAB but will be flying out there. Going to rent a 4wd for a day to do some wheeling but all I see is jeeps and ATV's, so looks like will probably rent the jeep. Any insider scoops or tips for the area?
A Jeep will be great. All the rental places will give you good advice to what trails to go on; after all, they don't want their rentals to be damaged; they will also tell you the trails you will not be allowed to take their vehicles on. Most rental places will provide maps as well.

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A Jeep will be great. All the rental places will give you good advice to what trails to go on; after all, they don't want their rentals to be damaged; they will also tell you the trails you will not be allowed to take their vehicles on. Most rental places will provide maps as well.

Have fun.
Personally, I'd rather have you on the trails in a Jeep than a SxS or ATV. I know from multiple sources that yes, they will give you good advice, but there's nothing stopping you from going anywhere and trying anything. Be ready for heat (have you heard that enough yet?) and crowds. Moab, to many of us Utah locals, is becoming an area to avoid because of the number of visitors/vacationers in that area. You can still have a good time, just be prepared for it. And if you have any idea that you want to visit Arches, plan on possible closures when they are full. And it usually fills up fast in the morning. My son went down with his girlfriend, and figured out that later in the day was easier to get in, plus planned it on a weekday that numbers trended lower.

Enjoy some slickrock! It's an incredibly beautiful place to visit!
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Look up Navtec expeditions. They have a stable of built up 80 series Land Cruisers that I think you can rent. Also check on Outdoorsy as well.
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Personally, I'd rather have you on the trails in a Jeep than a SxS or ATV. I know from multiple sources that yes, they will give you good advice, but there's nothing stopping you from going anywhere and trying anything. Be ready for heat (have you heard that enough yet?) and crowds. Moab, to many of us Utah locals, is becoming an area to avoid because of the number of visitors/vacationers in that area. You can still have a good time, just be prepared for it. And if you have any idea that you want to visit Arches, plan on possible closures when they are full. And it usually fills up fast in the morning. My son went down with his girlfriend, and figured out that later in the day was easier to get in, plus planned it on a weekday that numbers trended lower.

Enjoy some slickrock! It's an incredibly beautiful place to visit!
Thanks! Jeep it will be! Area to avoid sounds like how we feel about our beaches here! Been in the UT heat in July before, have hot weather gear and have hiked all over AZ and half of UT in the middle of summer. Did bright angel trail when it was 110+ in the canyon. I hate crowds but don't want to miss Moab and Arches. Can't be worse than Yellowstone, that was painful. I see Arches has been closing up parking around 9:00 AM most days, so that will be a tough one, will be there early for sure, or go late as you suggest. Did half of UT 3 years ago now going back for second half plus up through CO to Denver. If areas are too crowded or closed, we will find a slot canyon or somewhere else to hike!
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The best arches are in Arches National Park, but there are many other really good arches in the area in Zion National Park, and Grand Staircase National Monument. You might search those out.
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The best arches are in Arches National Park, but there are many other really good arches in the area in Zion National Park, and Grand Staircase National Monument. You might search those out.
Did Zion and Grand staircase already on our previous trip. They were awesome, especially Zion and the Narrows (other than the crowds). We hiked up the virgin river from a couple miles below the Narrows and had some privacy until we got to the narrows. Then it was a hike through muddy water with bowling ball sized rocks everywhere in it that you couldn't see and people falling all over the place. Still a great time!
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Did Zion and Grand staircase already on our previous trip. They were awesome, especially Zion and the Narrows (other than the crowds). We hiked up the virgin river from a couple miles below the Narrows and had some privacy until we got to the narrows. Then it was a hike through muddy water with bowling ball sized rocks everywhere in it that you couldn't see and people falling all over the place. Still a great time!
There are two types of Jeep rentals in Moab: regular with mild mods and trail restrictions, and, let's call them "proper" with big mods and no trail restrictions.

I would only rent from the second group, even just on principle.

A Rubicon will be far better than any Toyota around Moab. The harder trails are getting overused and harder by the year. On the opposite extreme, there is still plenty that can be done in a Subaru, but the harder fun trails are getting really used up.
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For the past number of years we've been to Moab in the middle of July, and we hardly see anybody there on the trails. Its hot yes, but just stay in the shade, and crash at a hotel or camp up near the mountains.
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There are two types of Jeep rentals in Moab: regular with mild mods and trail restrictions, and, let's call them "proper" with big mods and no trail restrictions.

I would only rent from the second group, even just on principle.

A Rubicon will be far better than any Toyota around Moab. The harder trails are getting overused and harder by the year. On the opposite extreme, there is still plenty that can be done in a Subaru, but the harder fun trails are getting really used up.
Had picked Twisted Jeeps, they seem to be lifted with 35's or 37's, etc. Do you have any others you would recommend with proper mods?
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We just came back from a 5 day trip from Moab. It was a mixture of hiking/sight seeing Arches/Canyonlands NP and off-roading in the Sand Flats Rec. Area. We arrived a week before Memorial Day and did all our activities during the weekday. We entered the parks by 7:00 AM, little to no cars going through the gate but parking lots will begin to get packed within an hour. After we were done with the Delicate Arch hike at 9:00 AM the lot was filled and vehicles were circling to get a spot.

We did Fins n' Things and Hell's Revenge 4x4 trails. Got into the Sand Flats parking lot by 7:30 AM on with little to no traffic. By 9:00 AM hordes of UTV's begin passing us up on the trail. Didn't see many trucks wheeling on the trails with the exception of some guided Jeep groups with their 40"+ tires. 90% of others you will encounter are going to UTV's. No Toyotas in sight while we were there.

We left on Friday Memorial day weekend and you can see a sea of RV's, trailers, and built up rigs on 191 entering Moab. Glad we got out of Moab just in time before the holiday vacationers.
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Was just there during EJS, and even with the biggest Jeep event in NA, it wasn't so bad of waits that it was not pleasant, in fact being a gear head and off road enthusiast, I loved it and want to go back with a group next year.

Here's my advice:

- Go to Sand Flats Rec Area (cheap entry fee) and do Fins N Things trail. Should be perfect for a rental Wrangler. Not too extreme, but still technical and fun on the "slickrock".

- Try Baby Lion's Back in SFRA, wish I would've but we were heading back to checkout line for Arches since it was full in the AM.

- In Arches NP, see the the farther NW arches (Eye Of The Whale, Tower Arch and Marching Men in Klondike Bluffs) that require off roading to get to. Wish I would've known more about those before I went.
*** Also, I found an off road entrance that is legal and gated off the Willow Springs Rd (BLM 378) area. I stumbled upon it when scouting for a camp spot. I'll try to find it on Google maps and pin the entrance.

- Eat at Milt's for great classic style burgers and shakes.

- Gemini Bridges Rd was a cool trail that leads to an awesome tucked away camping area called Bride's Canyon. First come first serve and there's only 5 sites that each can hold a few trucks.

There's more if you want.

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There are two types of Jeep rentals in Moab: regular with mild mods and trail restrictions, and, let's call them "proper" with big mods and no trail restrictions.

I would only rent from the second group, even just on principle.

A Rubicon will be far better than any Toyota around Moab. The harder trails are getting overused and harder by the year. On the opposite extreme, there is still plenty that can be done in a Subaru, but the harder fun trails are getting really used up.
I'm not starting any controversy, but I wouldn't go with 'far better.' I've heard the area is getting beat up, but I just did Hole In the Rock trail near Hall's Crossing, and my Moab veterans that took me said the performance of my '18 TRD ORP was much better than they thought it would be, and very impressed. Even climbed a vertical drop that the trail lead in his Jeep with front and rear locked couldn't get up. I do agree that the Rubicon has a few more toys, and some spots get tight with a longer wheelbase, but I would settle for 'better' on some trails.
Sorry... couldn't pass it up. It even surprised me what my 4R can do, and I wouldn't want to discount it.
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Found a good write-up on the off road entrance to Arches I mentioned. Goes by some dinosaur tracks as well: Jeeping in Arches National Park | Dirt In My Shoes
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We just came back from a 5 day trip from Moab. It was a mixture of hiking/sight seeing Arches/Canyonlands NP and off-roading in the Sand Flats Rec. Area. We arrived a week before Memorial Day and did all our activities during the weekday. We entered the parks by 7:00 AM, little to no cars going through the gate but parking lots will begin to get packed within an hour. After we were done with the Delicate Arch hike at 9:00 AM the lot was filled and vehicles were circling to get a spot.

We did Fins n' Things and Hell's Revenge 4x4 trails. Got into the Sand Flats parking lot by 7:30 AM on with little to no traffic. By 9:00 AM hordes of UTV's begin passing us up on the trail. Didn't see many trucks wheeling on the trails with the exception of some guided Jeep groups with their 40"+ tires. 90% of others you will encounter are going to UTV's. No Toyotas in sight while we were there.

We left on Friday Memorial day weekend and you can see a sea of RV's, trailers, and built up rigs on 191 entering Moab. Glad we got out of Moab just in time before the holiday vacationers.
Cool, we have a similar timeframe , maybe a day less and then heading up through colorado day by day until we get to Denver. Thanks for the recs!!!! I will digest all of this and check it out!

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Was just there during EJS, and even with the biggest Jeep event in NA, it wasn't so bad of waits that it was not pleasant, in fact being a gear head and off road enthusiast, I loved it and want to go back with a group next year.

Here's my advice:

- Go to Sand Flats Rec Area (cheap entry fee) and do Fins N Things trail. Should be perfect for a rental Wrangler. Not too extreme, but still technical and fun on the "slickrock".

- Try Baby Lion's Back in SFRA, wish I would've but we were heading back to checkout line for Arches since it was full in the AM.

- In Arches NP, see the the farther NW arches (Eye Of The Whale, Tower Arch and Marching Men in Klondike Bluffs) that require off roading to get to. Wish I would've known more about those before I went.
*** Also, I found an off road entrance that is legal and gated off the Willow Springs Rd (BLM 378) area. I stumbled upon it when scouting for a camp spot. I'll try to find it on Google maps and pin the entrance.

- Eat at Milt's for great classic style burgers and shakes.

- Gemini Bridges Rd was a cool trail that leads to an awesome tucked away camping area called Bride's Canyon. First come first serve and there's only 5 sites that each can hold a few trucks.

There's more if you want.

Edit: Seattle206 sniped me lol.
Thanks, going to read over this several times!! "Eat at Milts" seems like a shirt I will need! We will have the jeep for the whole day so some hidden gems will be great!

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I'm not starting any controversy, but I wouldn't go with 'far better.' I've heard the area is getting beat up, but I just did Hole In the Rock trail near Hall's Crossing, and my Moab veterans that took me said the performance of my '18 TRD ORP was much better than they thought it would be, and very impressed. Even climbed a vertical drop that the trail lead in his Jeep with front and rear locked couldn't get up. I do agree that the Rubicon has a few more toys, and some spots get tight with a longer wheelbase, but I would settle for 'better' on some trails.
Sorry... couldn't pass it up. It even surprised me what my 4R can do, and I wouldn't want to discount it.
Would have rather driven and my 12 TE out there, but travel days come at a price! I'm not against jeeps at all, I drove an 89 YK for 10 years, followed by a 96 full size Bronco, followed by the runner. They all do things the others cant! Will be fun to be in a jeep again for a day after 20 years.

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Found a good write-up on the off road entrance to Arches I mentioned. Goes by some dinosaur tracks as well: Jeeping in Arches National Park | Dirt In My Shoes
Thank you sir! Will check that out!
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