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Yea no thanks. These guys keep shitting on people's hard work and innovation by stealing and profiting from other peoples designs. Besides I could use a few less rich Chinese teenagers with their Ferraris and Lambos around here.
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agreed, I refuse to support the Communist Chinese government sponsored theft of all Western intellectual property. These clowns design nothing, they steal and try to backwards engineer what they can.
Its disgusting. I would rather pay triple to buy off somebody from the West.
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06-12-2019, 12:12 PM
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Pretty obvious you've cornered the market on butthurt and didn't bother to read the thread since you last crawled out from under a rock. One member has had his units installed for over two months and no apocalyptic fires have burned out his 4Runner.
The other part you missed is that the Arclights are full of Chinese parts including the LEDs and the circuitboards. By your own vapid logic you had better keep a fire extinguisher near your Arclights for the day they catch on fire.
These Made In China items are straight out of ArcLights published parts list:
LED RED CLEAR 2PLCC SMD
OSRAM part number LR T66F-AABB-1-1-z
LR T66F datasheet Ver. 2.1
China RoHS Compliant Product
OSRAM Opto Semiconductors (China) Co., Ltd.
https://www.osram.com.cn/os/
No.57, Xi Qin Road
Wuxi Xinwu District
Jiangsu Province
P.R. China 214000
Tel.: +86 (510) 8190 8190
电子邮箱: [email protected]
热线电话:400-920-6282
欧司朗光电半导体(中国)有限公司
地址:中国上海市黄浦区西藏中路18号港路广场28楼
Pad2Pad is the supplier for ArcLight's printed circuit boards. The guy I talked to was very guarded and reverting to double-speak to protect his company BUT: unless you have a 5-day rush order single-layer PCB (that is made in America) all of your boards will come from CHINA.
Honestly. ArcLight boards should be labeled " ASSEMBLED in USA and contain numerous parts from China".
So please crawl back under your ROB (Rock Of Butthurt) until you actually have a valid argument and actual proof of anything that ever caught on fire or proof of your childish accusations of anyone being a "paid influencer".
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Sure but..
Wheres the UL, ESA, CSA or other international approvals indicating the electronic components are safe and tested for use. China is a mixed bag on parts, some of their stuff is ok quality wise, other stuff is beyond garbage.
Lastly criticizing the actions of the Chinese government in stealing western IP is hardly racism. Or were you being racist in assuming all Chinese are one race? Which they arent. No flame fest here, if you want cheap stuff have at it its a free country (unlike China )
But people should be wary and not make the assumption that all Chinese automotive components are either safe or tested by independent regulatory bodies to ensure safety, compliance and quality.
Now if people say screw it, understand the risks and buy it anyways, hey thats their choice.
But people should be aware that many in China will gladly sell you stuff that is flat out dangerous..but theres also some in China that sell goods which are of reasonable quality.
But either way I prefer to buy from non Communist countries first. The fact that our trucks are made in Japan is irrelevant, Japan is a free nation and has been a solid trade partner of the west since the 60s.
So ease back on trying to nullify the discussion by hurling the racist moniker... its a cheap way to end a discussion and simply not needed.
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06-12-2019, 01:25 PM
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Sure but..
Wheres the UL, ESA, CSA or other international approvals indicating the electronic components are safe and tested for use. China is a mixed bag on parts, some of their stuff is ok quality wise, other stuff is beyond garbage.
Lastly criticizing the actions of the Chinese government in stealing western IP is hardly racism. Or were you being racist in assuming all Chinese are one race? Which they arent. No flame fest here, if you want cheap stuff have at it its a free country (unlike China )
But people should be wary and not make the assumption that all Chinese automotive components are either safe or tested by independent regulatory bodies to ensure safety, compliance and quality.
Now if people say screw it, understand the risks and buy it anyways, hey thats their choice.
But people should be aware that many in China will gladly sell you stuff that is flat out dangerous..but theres also some in China that sell goods which are of reasonable quality.
But either way I prefer to buy from non Communist countries first. The fact that our trucks are made in Japan is irrelevant, Japan is a free nation and has been a solid trade partner of the west since the 60s.
So ease back on trying to nullify the discussion by hurling the racist moniker... its a cheap way to end a discussion and simply not needed.
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Are reading and comprehension dead arts?? Did you just selectively pick things out to rant about and not bother to read the whole thread??
I have traveled to China, Vietnam and Thailand and know a lot more about race than you want to mislead people about. I can hear the difference between Mandarin and Cantonese dialects. Ever heard someone from far northern China mangle the Mandarin dialect? Ever hear of the Hakka dialect? I have. Have you walked the streets of Shanghai, Guangzhou or Beijing? I have. Can you speak even a little Japanese or Vietnamese or Chinese? I can. Don't try to hang your bullshit insinuations on me. Talk about trying to nullify an argument.
Did you miss that bit where I quoted exactly what nonsense was soley based on race??
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Besides I could use a few less rich Chinese teenagers with their Ferraris and Lambos around here.
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No, I guess not. How exactly does age and choice of car have anything to do with the products made in China? Nothing. It sure has a lot to do with hatred based on the race of those teenagers. Casting all Chinese as uneducated copycats is myopic. If you had any interest at all you'd be more worried that the Chinese government has deliberately started to steer away from copycatting and is pushing industries towards original designs where the big money really is ( http://www.bjdw.org/en/bjdws.html) As for Japan everyone driving a 4Runner is blissfully unaware of the copycatting they engaged in. Made in Japan used to be an insult ( The Story of Design: Japanese post-war design | DisegnoDaily)
How about where the same guy throws out factless shit about people being paid to shill a product and how 4Runners are burning up?
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Hope all of you paid influencers consciences are clear once the reports of fires start rolling in.
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That sure was a winning argument!
Some folks drop in here to spout opinions devoid of any research let alone links to their "proof". The biggest joke is claiming "American made!" when those products are not. I have posted multiple sets of facts about where ArcLight parts really come from but that old "Made In USA" argument is still clung to.
When you have some facts and drop the personal attacks about me I might try to listen to you. As it is everyone's time is wasted when you drop such generalized nonsense into a thread about a particular product. Get your head out of the sand.
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06-12-2019, 01:30 PM
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Where did you put black circuit modules? Do they go in space above headliner? As for map lights do you use same way to switch them on by pushing on lens cover? Is center clear plastic piece between switch paddles fits back on after install?
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06-12-2019, 10:37 PM
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Where did you put black circuit modules? Do they go in space above headliner? As for map lights do you use same way to switch them on by pushing on lens cover? Is center clear plastic piece between switch paddles fits back on after install?
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The modules go up above. In another post the forum member described wrapping the modules in some sort of foam or tape to reduce rattling from car movement.
I don't have my lights yet but it seems logical that the individual map lights are turned on the same as with OEM filament bulbs.
You have to drill two holes in the map lights center piece to allow the pushbutton switch shafts to poke through. That allows you to push either button to select red or white light colored LEDs. First pull off the black plastic button because your drill hole should only be large enough in diameter for the pushbutton switch shaft to poke through the clear lens. Then push the black plastic buttons back onto the two shafts.
To understand the way to perform the drilling look at this excellent writeup from Eric 57HotrodVW
Icarus eXtreme LED Hatch Lights from ArcLightLEDs - 5th Gen 4Runner
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06-13-2019, 10:25 AM
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I'd rather not have Red option but website wont give White only option..
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06-13-2019, 11:11 AM
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At these prices you could buy a set, desolder the switches and install jumper wires for just white LED operation
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06-13-2019, 12:58 PM
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Are reading and comprehension dead arts?? Did you just selectively pick things out to rant about and not bother to read the whole thread??
I have traveled to China, Vietnam and Thailand and know a lot more about race than you want to mislead people about. I can hear the difference between Mandarin and Cantonese dialects. Ever heard someone from far northern China mangle the Mandarin dialect? Ever hear of the Hakka dialect? I have. Have you walked the streets of Shanghai, Guangzhou or Beijing? I have. Can you speak even a little Japanese or Vietnamese or Chinese? I can. Don't try to hang your bullshit insinuations on me. Talk about trying to nullify an argument.
Did you miss that bit where I quoted exactly what nonsense was soley based on race??
No, I guess not. How exactly does age and choice of car have anything to do with the products made in China? Nothing. It sure has a lot to do with hatred based on the race of those teenagers. Casting all Chinese as uneducated copycats is myopic. If you had any interest at all you'd be more worried that the Chinese government has deliberately started to steer away from copycatting and is pushing industries towards original designs where the big money really is ( http://www.bjdw.org/en/bjdws.html) As for Japan everyone driving a 4Runner is blissfully unaware of the copycatting they engaged in. Made in Japan used to be an insult ( The Story of Design: Japanese post-war design | DisegnoDaily)
How about where the same guy throws out factless shit about people being paid to shill a product and how 4Runners are burning up?
That sure was a winning argument!
Some folks drop in here to spout opinions devoid of any research let alone links to their "proof". The biggest joke is claiming "American made!" when those products are not. I have posted multiple sets of facts about where ArcLight parts really come from but that old "Made In USA" argument is still clung to.
When you have some facts and drop the personal attacks about me I might try to listen to you. As it is everyone's time is wasted when you drop such generalized nonsense into a thread about a particular product. Get your head out of the sand.
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Hey your the one who screamed racism in a weak attempt to silence the guy discussing things with you. Its a cheap move.
I do daily business with China, I work with people from China and Vietnam. I also have frequent dealings with a few firms from Japan. I get the whole area quite well thanks.
Nothing changes the ways they steal IP from the West. But maybe your dealings with China are just wandering the streets and you have little to no business dealings with that nation? If you did you would understand why some of us dont like to support their economy for multiple reasons.
Anyhow it is what it is. You go ahead and buy their stuff and enjoy it. I myself will find alternative accredited parts from reputable suppliers from the rest of the world.
Try not to get so worked up next time....its not good for you.
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06-13-2019, 07:38 PM
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Where did you put black circuit modules? Do they go in space above headliner? As for map lights do you use same way to switch them on by pushing on lens cover? Is center clear plastic piece between switch paddles fits back on after install?
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Dome light, tucked in headliner, wrapped in tesa(cloth) tape
Map lights have to remove the ohc entirely, remove the reflector by disassembling unit. The Chinese version doesn't quite fit well. Used some doubly sided tape to raise mount point on the mood light cover. Oem covers fit back. Hard to explain and sorry didn't take pics. But once you get it installed you will figure it out
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06-14-2019, 09:00 PM
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Hello angry little Princess Grug. Can you show us on the anatomically correct doll where the creepy lady from China touched you?
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I do daily business with China, I work with people from China and Vietnam.
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SO funny. You want to mislead us you supposedly deal in electronics with those communist folks "daily" but you won't support their economy because they are stealing everything??
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........you would understand why some of us dont like to support their economy for multiple reasons.
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But you can't leave things at that goofy contradiction and whine on and on to stretch things even further, claiming you work SO hard to buy anywhere else but China....
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I myself will find alternative accredited parts from reputable suppliers from the rest of the world.
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So we'll add a lack of logic to your lack of the ability to read and a massively dismal lack of comprehension.
Go back to what you are an expert on: sitting in a Toronto office buying cheap toxic lead paint for Canadian children to chew on
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06-15-2019, 02:53 AM
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jesus tetwaki or whatever... are you sponsored by them? you have a sh*it ton of time on your hands. Damn bro....
I have a full set of the Arclights and they are awesome, grt quality and side from US vs. China, all that aside, you are supporting a small US business. So ya, for that and the quality I will happily pay a (big) premium. Or, not have something at all.
And, lol at the typical Chinese quality of thin a$$ wires falling off, enjoy your Chinese Sh*it. Phuck china. Not racist or Trump supporter so save it.
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06-15-2019, 04:01 PM
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jesus tetwaki or whatever... are you sponsored by them? you have a sh*it ton of time on your hands. Damn bro....
I have a full set of the Arclights and they are awesome, grt quality and side from US vs. China, all that aside, you are supporting a small US business. So ya, for that and the quality I will happily pay a (big) premium. Or, not have something at all.
And, lol at the typical Chinese quality of thin a$$ wires falling off, enjoy your Chinese Sh*it. Phuck china. Not racist or Trump supporter so save it.
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You are so smug about buying your overpriced ArcLights which are assembled in the US but mostly made with parts sourced in China. Thread polluters like you hate to read the whole thread but love to jump in and spew personal attacks against me. Hilarious how you quickly feign outrage when the tables are turned. It seems highly likely you are yet another paid shill for ArcLight (even though they are sending your US dollars straight to Chinese manufacturers).
State facts with your sources and we'll talk. Phucked-up opinions will be methodically mocked.
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Back on topic.
It's a pleasant surprise that the Chinese have improved their package tracking to include US delivery companies. My full set of lights are almost here. One thing I want to do is measure current consumption as opposed to the OEM filament bulbs.
2019-06-15 08:59
Out for Delivery -> Your item is out for delivery on June 15, 2019 at 8:59 AM
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06-15-2019, 05:22 PM
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Still no issues with mine. Just got back from a camping trip where they had some use. IMO worth the money
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06-16-2019, 01:47 AM
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This is for the folks who like some detail about the electronics of items such as these LED boards:
Each module has the same count of chip LEDs controlled by a pushbutton: 26 Red and 26 White
The map lights are the only board with two pushbuttons and four sets of LEDs
With a 13.85v DC supply voltage typical current consumption for each board was: 360 mA for Red LEDs and 420 mA for White LEDs
All of the LEDs are driven in parallel and this can be seen on the traces on the passenger dome light board. Across each individual LED the typical voltage was: 2.36 volts for Red LEDs and 2.88 volts for White LEDs
A typical filament bulb pulls around 800 mA at 13 volts so you have less light for more watts, about 10 watts versus 5.8 Watts for the LEDs
As member Shdw03 stated earlier there is no issue with voltage polarity so plug and play is all you need to do.
My boards look very clean and the solder mask protects all of the circuit traces from moisture. I don't see any issues with the soldering on any of the wire leads so I don't expect breakage such as Shdw03 experienced.
It's too late tonight to take some before-and-after pictures so I will do that tomorrow night. Currently my 4Runner has the FireFly LED lights which are better than filament bulbs but won't match the light output of these boards
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