06-03-2019, 04:46 PM
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Thanks and Farewell for now; Bought Land Cruiser, Sold 4Runner Trail Premium
First off, thank you all for making this forum such a great resource. It has been a part of my daily readings for the last 5 years!
While my read-to-post ratio is probably 1000:1, whenever I did need specific info, you all were there to provide great feedback! Thank you again!
As this is most likely last official 5th Gen post, I thought I'd share my likes/dislikes with owning the 4R, and a bit of comparision to my new LC200.
Likes: - 70k trouble free miles! Not a single issue. Only 1-off scheduled maintenance item was the Tanaka airbag recall. My guess is at 170k my answer would be the same!
- Great double duty vehicle! Daily driving is 10x my old wrangler, and offroad it held it own just fine for the trails I would take my kids on!
- Nusoft seats are amazing! Family, dogs, fishing, muck, you name it. They still look new! Never get that result out of cloth or leather!
- Radflow Suspension! Best suspension I've owned! Amazing at speed and at a crawl!
- KDSS is great! Don't listen to the downers! Its onroad handling pays for itself and its offroad is great. 33s, 2.5" lift and zero kdss lean!
Dislikes: - Power Delivery! Not the engine, not necessarily even the 5spd, just the mapping and overall wide gaps in gearing is just so underwhelming, even at 99% sea-level driving.
- Lift to fit 33s?!? And still needed to trim and tuck. Glad at least I didn't have to do the BM Chop!
- Stock shocks/sprints! Nose dive on braking was ridiculous! KDSS hid many more issues I'm sure.
- Everyone and their mom drives one now! I know, 100k sales a year is nothing but great for it/brand, but seeing 20 on the road every 5 miles get a bit mundane.
*** Basically, 3 of my 4 dislikes are ridiculous themselves. Most people with stock tires, a pedal commander, or heck even the supercharger will zero out any dislikes ever!
As for the Land Cruiser, these are my reasons/comparisions: - V8 and 8speed! Even though the power and weight seems comparable (~110hp+ and ~1,100lbs+), the seat feel is night and day. The power band is just awesome!
- Just a tad more space for family and stuff. The jump seat actually gets a bit of use!
- 33s with no modifications!
- Headlights that actually put light on the road to actually see at night! What a concept!!!
- Daily driving is 5x the T4R. Drivetrain, seats, amenities, comfort, safety are all just a bit better.
- Sales and Marketing departments kept whispering "Land Cruiser"... "Laaaand....Crusier"... "LAND CRUISER!!!"
There are of course a few dislikes too: - Not as much up-front storage (coolbox is great, but miss the center cargo)
- Too easy to mistake the fuel gauge for the rpm gauge as they move at the same speed!
- Just wide enough to ensure that any trail will pinstripe it to death! Feels like I could get pin striping just going out of the garage!
- Bit too pretty...so far... to throw it onto some trails!
If anyone is on the fence between 4R and LC, I recommend always test driving. I don't think there is a simple X>Y answer, and I don't necessarily believe that LC > 4R in every/all cases.
I probably drove 8 different LCs, both 6spd and 8spd, and various mid-life-cycles (2008-2011, 2012-2013, 2014-2016, 2016+) and they all drove different and offered unique price-to-feature options.
And if I was to do it all over again on the 4Runner, I think I would have done all the modifications exactly the same, except perhaps on Day 1 vs most of them at the 40k mile mark. And if I were to keep it long term, I would have CBI'd the rear and Demello'd (aluminum) the front!
In closing, I would recommend a 4Runner to almost anyone (as I would a LC too!).
Thank you again for making this such a great forum!
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06-03-2019, 04:57 PM
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If this is going to be your last post, you're going to need to post a pic of your LC!
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'04 Lexus GX470 Ultra Premium - Dobinsons 2F/1R lift, Tandem 612's w/ 265/70/17 Wildpeaks, XD HID lows
'15 Lexus GX460 - FJC 6-spokes w/ 265/65/17C Duratracs Weathertech HP & Canvasback liners
'15 4Runner Limited - 1" Cornfed level, 255/75/17SL Duratracs on FJC 8-holes, XD HID lows, Sprint Booster, Canvasbacks & Husky Liners - SOLD
'96 Toyota Hilux Surf SSR-G 3.0TD RIP - 265/75/16C Duratracs, '99 tall fronts, OME 906's rear
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06-03-2019, 05:01 PM
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What year Cruiser did you end up buying, what color inside and out? Thank you you very much for the info.
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06-03-2019, 05:02 PM
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Maybe I missed it - brand new?
Either way, congratulations! Most here would make that step if they could, I think. Enjoy!
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06-03-2019, 05:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PCH4R
[*]Too easy to mistake the fuel gauge for the rpm gauge as they move at the same speed!
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06-03-2019, 05:32 PM
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+2 for the pic
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06-03-2019, 05:35 PM
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"If anyone is on the fence between 4R and LC, I recommend always test driving."
I did. I was looking at 2 new 2016s, one for me and one for my wife. They had two on the lot and they looked good. After a test drive I immediately bought a new red Trail Premium with KDSS for me and my wife picked out a new Avalon Touring.
It was certainly easier writing the check for the two we bought, but two Land Cruisers wouldn't have hurt too badly either. I just decided that if I wanted to drive a big boat I'd actually buy a real boat. I have a boat, but that's beside the point.
We're on Ocracoke Island this week and having a blast driving on the beach. As usual. Now she wants a house here. Last week it was a house at Virginia Beach. Last week she went there for the weekend and got stuck in traffic over and over again.
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This 2016 TEP w/KDSS is a big step up from the 1986 Subaru GL wagon I used on the Outer Banks beaches for 14 years. That thing would go anywhere in the sand on 185/70-13 tires. Dual range 5 speed, factory skid plate, 3 position manually adjustable rear shocks and armored exhaust. All factory, including the white spoke wheels. The front sub frame finally rusted apart.
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06-08-2019, 12:36 AM
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this post is worthless without photos.
Your also comparing apples to oranges.
A Land Cruiser is nowhere in the same price range as a 4 runner.
A Land Cruiser should be compared to a Lexus LX570.
The price of a new Land Cruiser is like 2 brand new 4 Runners.
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06-08-2019, 01:40 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Axix23
The price of a new Land Cruiser is like 2 brand new 4 Runners.
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2 Pro's, 3 SR5's....
But you're right.
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06-08-2019, 01:49 AM
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Quote:
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2 Pro's, 3 SR5's....
But you're right.
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lol.
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06-08-2019, 01:51 AM
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Factoring out price, is it an absolute no brainer to get the LC over the 4Runner?
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06-08-2019, 02:05 AM
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Yea, the LC is damn nice.
I like them, a bit too big for me, as in it would create an inconvenience type too big, not that I have an issue with the size.
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06-08-2019, 02:36 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by samster747
Factoring out price, is it an absolute no brainer to get the LC over the 4Runner?
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Of course, if you’re fine with a larger vehicle. Although, if we’re factoring out price I’ll take an AMG G63.
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06-08-2019, 03:59 AM
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I'm too peasant to own a land cruiser........so i can only envy those that own one.
But seriously, one day I will find my way into one..even if I have to sell a kidney.
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06-08-2019, 09:09 PM
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trail and pro have rear locker which is better than center locker. I rather have 4.5 I-6 with front and rear lockers over the current one.
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