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Not liking the cutoff or lack thereof with these SAE fogs. I'll wait and see if they come out with a V2 in a year or two. Was really hoping to get something to match my Squadron Pros.
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good cut off? Short answer is a hard "NO"

TacomaWorld user 'crashnburn80' has an extensive SAE fog light review thread. You'll see the disappointment in many of us that care about lighting and respect for other drivers. Ive also met up with crashnburn for a real time light demo and was absolutely disappointed in these "SAE fogs", i really wanted to love them =/.


Check out the rest of the review in post #1 and the BajaDesign SAE fog review in post #976

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Picture was taken well above the "cutoff" with arms extended over head. there is no exaggeration in this picture.

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In short, BajaDesigns cheated the system to get SAE certified. Lower lumens and a half-arsed attempt at making a cut off line just to join the "SAE game" but they were the last to join.

don't @ me

Yikes. I'll keep my Philips bulbs for a while then. I do enjoy my Pro S2 ditch lights from Baja, but of course for offroad only.
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Definitely a very informative Tacoma world thread that was posted. I currently have the rigid SAE pods and it's almost a necessity to drive with my fogs on to supplement the illumination that my headlights lack. I couldn't even imagine driving without my fogs based on how poorly the OEM headlights project. I was thinking about switching to the Baja's however it looks like I'll stick with be my rigids.
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Going to try out the Baja Squadron in amber, They appear to be exactly what I'm looking for.
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Definitely a very informative Tacoma world thread that was posted. I currently have the rigid SAE pods and it's almost a necessity to drive with my fogs on to supplement the illumination that my headlights lack. I couldn't even imagine driving without my fogs based on how poorly the OEM headlights project. I was thinking about switching to the Baja's however it looks like I'll stick with be my rigids.
Sounds like you need to get some HID's in the low beams, the cutoff from the factory projectors is excellent, so you can have great light and not blind oncoming cars. It made a huge improvement.
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good cut off? Short answer is a hard "NO"

TacomaWorld user 'crashnburn80' has an extensive SAE fog light review thread. You'll see the disappointment in many of us that care about lighting and respect for other drivers. Ive also met up with crashnburn for a real time light demo and was absolutely disappointed in these "SAE fogs", i really wanted to love them =/.


Check out the rest of the review in post #1 and the BajaDesign SAE fog review in post #976

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The LED SAE J583 Fog Pod & Fog Light Review

Picture was taken well above the "cutoff" with arms extended over head. there is no exaggeration in this picture.

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In short, BajaDesigns cheated the system to get SAE certified. Lower lumens and a half-arsed attempt at making a cut off line just to join the "SAE game" but they were the last to join.

don't @ me

The Baja Designs Squadron SAE does not have a sharp cutoff but these lights are SAE compliant. They illuminate the greatest area possible within range.

These aren't the lights for you if you're searching for the sharpest cutoff. These do illuminate the maximum area possible and are one of the best options for fog or poor weather use.

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I'm not looking for a sharp cutoff. im looking not to glare other drivers.
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This image capture was taken from your BajaDesign SAE reveal video on youtube.

The capture is even taken above driver level and above the headlight beams of both cars.

There is SO MUCH glare and i assume you aimed the fogs correctly bcuz you even include an aiming guide with your "SAE" fogs.

How would you feel if you were the driver on the opposite side of the stop light?


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This image capture was taken from your BajaDesign SAE reveal video on youtube.

The capture is even taken above driver level and above the headlight beams of both cars.

There is SO MUCH glare and i assume you aimed the fogs correctly bcuz you even include an aiming guide with your "SAE" fogs.

How would you feel if you were the driver on the opposite side of the stop light?


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We've tested these extensively and found while they do have some spill light, it's not very distracting in-person. That picture is a little rough to use since that Tacoma sit's a little low in the rear and the fogs which causes the fogs to be aimed higher.

Something to consider:
These aren't intended to be used 24/7. With most states, fog lights can only be operated during poor weather. The spill light that might slightly bother someone on a clear day really won't bug them when conditions are poor and you need to use these.
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We've tested these extensively and found while they do have some spill light, it's not very distracting in-person. That picture is a little rough to use since that Tacoma sit's a little low in the rear and the fogs which causes the fogs to be aimed higher.

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These aren't intended to be used 24/7. With most states, fog lights can only be operated during poor weather. The spill light that might slightly bother someone on a clear day really won't bug them when conditions are poor and you need to use these.
Interesting thread.

I appreciate the professionalism. BD posted clearly that these are ok for street as actual fog lights from the get go. They did not say they are ok as complementary headlights. They said "The new Baja Designs' SAE Squadron meets these strict standards and can be used legally in all 50 states as a (J583) fog light." Post 19 above. Stress is mine.

That we don't like to see/read what we do not like to see/read is another story.

I also appreciate the link to TW, but don't understand the point of the wording used.

Also, I have no horses in this. But definitely an interesting read coupled with the TW info.

So I guess the rule according to which one type of lights must be replaced with the same type of lights explains why Toyota sells the LED fogs as 2019 only.
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Baja Designs | SAE Compliance Service Bulletin

In November 2019 a third party made Baja Designs aware that the SAE Squadron was out of compliance with J583 guidelines. We immediately shipped samples to a testing facility for further verification. Our testing discovered that the light was over by 119 candelas on the upward horizontal axis. In more understandable terms, that is the equivalent of 1.19 candles at 10 meters. Our engineering department has been working on a fix for existing customers ensuring their SAE Squadron’s comply. We have developed a lens insert that has been tested and confirmed by Intertek, the global leader in compliance testing, that can be installed into existing products.

Current backorders of our SAE Squadron will ship in 3-4 weeks. Existing customers can either install the insert themselves or contact Baja Designs directly requesting a shipping label. Once we receive the light in-house, our trained technicians will update the SAE Squadron followed by expediting the now compliant Squadron back free of charge.

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In November 2019 a third party made Baja Designs aware that the SAE Squadron was out of compliance with J583 guidelines. We immediately shipped samples to a testing facility for further verification. Our testing discovered that the light was over by 119 candelas on the upward horizontal axis. In more understandable terms, that is the equivalent of 1.19 candles at 10 meters. Our engineering department has been working on a fix for existing customers ensuring their SAE Squadron’s comply. We have developed a lens insert that has been tested and confirmed by Intertek, the global leader in compliance testing, that can be installed into existing products.

Current backorders of our SAE Squadron will ship in 3-4 weeks. Existing customers can either install the insert themselves or contact Baja Designs directly requesting a shipping label. Once we receive the light in-house, our trained technicians will update the SAE Squadron followed by expediting the now compliant Squadron back free of charge.

Please reach out to Baja Designs directly ensuring your SAE Squadron is updated within a timely manner.

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So for clarification. I ordered a pair on the black friday sale. When I receive mine the SAE fogs will have the NEW LENS already installed? and just plug and play and im good to go?
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Real world first impression of BD SAE Amber Fog Lamps

I had these BD SAE fog lamps installed this week on my 2018 SR5P, which is mostly stock. I'm not an off-roader, don't have other auxiliary lights, and am running Sylvania Silverstar Ultra H-11 halogens for low beam. I had a chance to try these fog lamps out last night on a very dark, curving, fast road in northern CA and was very impressed with the performance!

These lights really lit up the sides of the road with clear, crisp, and powerful illumination, and gave me good distance and the ability to see signs, animals or pedestrians on the side of the road, side streets, etc. The yellow light was very effective. I found the combination of these lights with my low beams much preferable to having to use the high beams. Most other drivers had their high beams on or were using auxiliary lamps. I felt very safe and comfortable driving on this road at night, and was able to relax and enjoy the night drive on this road for the first time. Around two dozen drivers passed me from the opposite direction, and no one flashed their high beams. For those familiar with No. CA, I took the Foresthill exit off of I-80E toward Lake Clementine. The view of the road looks very much like the pics from the BD website for this product. So far, it looks like this light does a great job of doing what the engineers at BD designed it for, being an excellent SAE fog lamp that does double duty as a high performing auxiliary lamp. I am looking forward to trying this light out in the mountains with fog and snow to see how well it functions as a fog lamp. I know some competent reviewers on this forum have predicted that the light will produce too much reflection in fog and snow to be effective, due to its relatively poor cutoff and bleed of light, which is what makes it so good at illuminating the road.

This light was recommended to me by several 4x4 builders and mechanics in the area, who were all very enthusiastic about Baja Designs' lights in general. They hadn't had the opportunity to work with this specific light yet. Considering their history, I will be very surprised if BD came out with a fog lamp that doesn't work in fog, snow, and rain. They are famous for their lights being used in the Baja 1000 in the California Baja Peninsula. This course is mostly at night, and race drivers have to contend with weather extremes including snow, nearly impenetrable fog, and dust storms while traveling at speeds of up to 140 mph. I would expect that the experiences of their race teams are reflected in their products. The SAE fog lamp is very rugged, mil-spec and waterproof to 9 ft. of submersion. If it works as well as a fog lamp as it does as an aux lamp, it will fit the needs of many drivers.

I am looking forward to seeing other real world reviews of this product, and appreciate the thoughtful analysis and opinions on this forum.

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