User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 06-28-2019, 01:34 PM #1
ellroy2 ellroy2 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Missouri
Posts: 96
ellroy2 is on a distinguished road
ellroy2 ellroy2 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Missouri
Posts: 96
ellroy2 is on a distinguished road
1.5" lift all around options

TEP w/KDSS and stock suspension with 24k miles. Planning on getting TRD Pro wheels with probably 275/70/17 tires. Considering upgrading suspension at the same time with a small lift to compliment the new wheels and tires. Unlike most, I would rather keep rake closer to factory. Most kits are leveling kits or in the 2.5" - 3" range. My goal would be to get noticeably improved ride quality while achieving an all around lift of somewhere in the 1.5" range.

I have read hundreds of posts and just end up confusing myself even more. For my budget, I have been looking at the Eibach kit(which gives more front lift than I am wanting) and 5100s with any number of combination of springs/coils. Or I go with aftermarket shocks and keep factory springs or keep factory shocks and get aftermarket springs? I don't really want to do spacers, but maybe that is the cheapest and easiest route. See, somebody please help me out and pound some sense into me!
__________________
'16 TEP w/KDSS Super White, TRD PRO grill and front bumper valance
ellroy2 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-28-2019, 02:12 PM #2
bigmace bigmace is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Salem, OR
Posts: 100
bigmace is on a distinguished road
bigmace bigmace is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Salem, OR
Posts: 100
bigmace is on a distinguished road
Get bilstein 5100s for all 4 corners and daystar 1.5" spacers in the rear. Set the bilstien spacers at the 2nd highest setting to net about 1.75" inches of lift. If you do it yourself all together should only be about $500 with an alignment.
bigmace is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-28-2019, 02:20 PM #3
ManhstuhT4R ManhstuhT4R is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Colorado
Posts: 126
ManhstuhT4R is on a distinguished road
ManhstuhT4R ManhstuhT4R is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Colorado
Posts: 126
ManhstuhT4R is on a distinguished road
Hey man!

Anthony from toytec here! You are definitely better off just getting bilstein 5100s and using the stock coils to go up 1 inch and call it a day!
ManhstuhT4R is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-28-2019, 02:27 PM #4
SR5 Phil's Avatar
SR5 Phil SR5 Phil is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Utah
Posts: 7
SR5 Phil is on a distinguished road
SR5 Phil SR5 Phil is offline
Junior Member
SR5 Phil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Utah
Posts: 7
SR5 Phil is on a distinguished road
I just posted the result of my Bilstein 5100s with rear spacers on another thread, with a picture of the resulting rake, which I wanted to keep close to stock as well:

https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3313368-post993.html

This gave me closer to 2 inches of increased ground clearance. Stock coils. Well under a thousand dollars, including paying a shop for install and alignment. You may want to consider new upper control arms as well--my caster angle on the stock ones is lower than preferable, so while I like the change in ride and handling, the steering response is less stable than before and they may not be able to improve it much on the stock UCAs.
__________________
1GR-FE is good enough for me.

Last edited by SR5 Phil; 06-28-2019 at 02:31 PM.
SR5 Phil is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-28-2019, 03:12 PM #5
Ryan at Eibach's Avatar
Ryan at Eibach Ryan at Eibach is offline
official vendor
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Corona
Posts: 238
Ryan at Eibach has a spectacular aura about Ryan at Eibach has a spectacular aura about Ryan at Eibach has a spectacular aura about
Ryan at Eibach Ryan at Eibach is offline
official vendor
Ryan at Eibach's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Corona
Posts: 238
Ryan at Eibach has a spectacular aura about Ryan at Eibach has a spectacular aura about Ryan at Eibach has a spectacular aura about
You can buy the Eibach shocks only and just run them with the factory spring. Still rides great.

Ryan
__________________
2019 TRD Off Road
2007 GT3
1982 911 SC
Ryan at Eibach is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-28-2019, 03:52 PM #6
vondy21's Avatar
vondy21 vondy21 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Dallas Texas
Posts: 70
vondy21 is on a distinguished road
vondy21 vondy21 is offline
Member
vondy21's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Dallas Texas
Posts: 70
vondy21 is on a distinguished road
I have a question that I never have seen fully answered about a setup like the OP is going for. If you do this kind of mild lift with quality aftermarket components, will you ever get a "better" ride/drive than stock or will it always be worse?

I'm talking on road driving. Obviously off-road will be better. I like the handling of the stock suspension with KDSS but would like to soak up some of the bumps a little better. Can an aftermarket suspension setup keep, or improve, the driving dynamics as well as soften the ride over rough roads?

This would assume similar size/weight tires to stock.
__________________
2017 TRD Off-Road Premium
Magnetic Gray - KDSS
Stock suspension, Michelin Defenders LTX MS
vondy21 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-28-2019, 03:56 PM #7
ellroy2 ellroy2 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Missouri
Posts: 96
ellroy2 is on a distinguished road
ellroy2 ellroy2 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Missouri
Posts: 96
ellroy2 is on a distinguished road
Thanks for all the responses.

Would installing either Eibach or Bilstein all around on stock springs require rear spacers then to get any rear lift?
__________________
'16 TEP w/KDSS Super White, TRD PRO grill and front bumper valance
ellroy2 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-28-2019, 04:01 PM #8
nimby's Avatar
nimby nimby is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 159
nimby will become famous soon enough nimby will become famous soon enough
nimby nimby is offline
Member
nimby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 159
nimby will become famous soon enough nimby will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by ellroy2 View Post
Thanks for all the responses.

Would installing either Eibach or Bilstein all around on stock springs require rear spacers then to get any rear lift?
To get lift in the rear, you need to either add spacers or taller coils.

If you only go up 1.5" in the front, you don't need a spacer or a taller coil in the rear because you will level the truck (technically, you will still be 1/4" higher in the rear), but will look very close to level.
nimby is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-28-2019, 05:26 PM #9
Harrisnc Harrisnc is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 64
Harrisnc is on a distinguished road
Harrisnc Harrisnc is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 64
Harrisnc is on a distinguished road
Eibach, dobinsons and bilstein all have rear springs that will give you around an inch. I did the eibach shocks and a 3/4 rear spring.
__________________
2017 TRD Offroad. Barcelona Red, 265 BFG KO2, Eibach Pro-truck 1.6/1, Shrockworks sliders
Harrisnc is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-28-2019, 05:38 PM #10
MrGainzz's Avatar
MrGainzz MrGainzz is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 395
MrGainzz will become famous soon enough MrGainzz will become famous soon enough
MrGainzz MrGainzz is offline
Member
MrGainzz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 395
MrGainzz will become famous soon enough MrGainzz will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by vondy21 View Post
I have a question that I never have seen fully answered about a setup like the OP is going for. If you do this kind of mild lift with quality aftermarket components, will you ever get a "better" ride/drive than stock or will it always be worse?

I'm talking on road driving. Obviously off-road will be better. I like the handling of the stock suspension with KDSS but would like to soak up some of the bumps a little better. Can an aftermarket suspension setup keep, or improve, the driving dynamics as well as soften the ride over rough roads?

This would assume similar size/weight tires to stock.
Try to sit in a 2019 TRD Pro and you will know how it feels. Most suspension kits that include 2.5" shock bodies will greatly improve the ride quality when going over unpaved roads and bumps.
MrGainzz is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-28-2019, 09:28 PM #11
ellroy2 ellroy2 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Missouri
Posts: 96
ellroy2 is on a distinguished road
ellroy2 ellroy2 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Missouri
Posts: 96
ellroy2 is on a distinguished road
Perhaps a stupid question, but how would aftermarket springs affect ride quality? Do you see improved quality more so with replacement of the shocks or the springs?
With my old 4th gen 4Runner, I replaced factory suspension with 5100s and FJ springs 2 years before I sold it. The stock suspension was "worn" by that time so the new setup did feel firmer, but I don't recall it being overly rough. So I guess my question is do aftermarket springs do anything under normal driving other than raise the vehicle?
Hopefully this might help answer vondy21's question as well. Thanks.
__________________
'16 TEP w/KDSS Super White, TRD PRO grill and front bumper valance
ellroy2 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-29-2019, 07:50 AM #12
TexasTEQFan's Avatar
TexasTEQFan TexasTEQFan is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: ATX
Posts: 61
Real Name: Kelly
TexasTEQFan is on a distinguished road
TexasTEQFan TexasTEQFan is offline
Member
TexasTEQFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: ATX
Posts: 61
Real Name: Kelly
TexasTEQFan is on a distinguished road
I was looking for a ‘sleeper lift’ to upgrade my rig and stumbled onto last year’s close out of the TRD FJ Bilstein Kit. I added a Daystar isolator in the front so the net gain was right at 2” and went with a Wheelers T13 rear spring which added 1”. End result, I upsized my rubber to 275’s and kept the forward rake so it looks like not much has changed. This kit was basically Bilstein 6112’s with the TRD coil up front and 5160’s in the rear plus the T13 spring.

One year in and no regrets for the $800 I have in it. Firmer more supportive ride, more travel over bumps and obstacles without any harshness. As mentioned previously, there are a lot of options that will net a mild lift but deliver a significant performance gain over stock.
__________________
Kelly G
‘14 TEQ 4Runner TP (Bilstein TRD Pro + Daystar Isolator & T13 rear, KO2 275's)
‘99 TEQ UZJ100 - at the cabin waiting to go fishing
‘77 TEQ FJ40 - ready to go anywhere
‘18 Subaru Outback - Wifey’s dd

Last edited by TexasTEQFan; 06-29-2019 at 10:50 PM.
TexasTEQFan is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-29-2019, 11:19 AM #13
progress4m progress4m is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Aledo, TX
Posts: 803
progress4m is on a distinguished road
progress4m progress4m is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Aledo, TX
Posts: 803
progress4m is on a distinguished road
To OP:
I did almost what you are trying to get from the lift, here is mine: Custom lift: front 2.1", rear 1.5" (lift info: Another Bilstein 5100 question - scroll down to thread #744)

I that tread I have explain what I did and why.

I am Very happy with result!
__________________
2013 Silver Trail (with KDSS)-Nitto TG, Bilstein 5100, Custom lift: front 2.1", rear 1.5" (lift info: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-ge...estion-50.html thread #744)
1995 SR5 4x4, 1996 SR5 4x4, 2005 SR5 V8 4x4- All Sold, but not forgotten!
DON'T GET CONFUSED BETWEEN MY PERSONALITY AND MY ATTITUDE. MY PERSONALITY IS WHO I AM...MY ATTITUDE DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ARE

Last edited by progress4m; 06-29-2019 at 11:25 AM.
progress4m is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-30-2019, 08:11 PM #14
ellroy2 ellroy2 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Missouri
Posts: 96
ellroy2 is on a distinguished road
ellroy2 ellroy2 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Missouri
Posts: 96
ellroy2 is on a distinguished road
progress4m:

How did you accomplish 2.1" up front? With Bilsteins set to .85 plus 1/2" spacers, shouldn't you have netted only about 1.5"?

Just wondering because I am leaning towards 5100s all around, front set to 1.75 with stock coils and T13 1.5" springs in rear(as opposed to Daystar 1.5" spacers).

I'm hoping this would raise everything up while still keeping rake. Seems like the T13 springs might only raise the rear up 1" so if Bilsteins front set to 1.75 would net me over 2" up front, I might have a problem.
__________________
'16 TEP w/KDSS Super White, TRD PRO grill and front bumper valance
ellroy2 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Reply

Tags
factory , kits , lift , shocks , springs

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
2-4" Lift Sway Bar End Link Options... chipsahoy 3rd gen T4Rs 21 07-23-2017 01:35 PM
2-3" Comfort Rear Lift Options Merninater 3rd gen T4Rs 45 01-31-2017 03:33 PM
Simple 2" lift options? lumberjude 3rd gen T4Rs 3 07-06-2013 11:12 PM
2" lift options? veloindy 5th gen T4Rs 10 02-23-2013 09:18 PM
2005 T4R Lift Options (3") Penguin Off-Roading 16 03-21-2010 01:52 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:39 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
***This site is an unofficial Toyota site, and is not officially endorsed, supported, authorized by or affiliated with Toyota. All company, product, or service names references in this web site are used for identification purposes only and may be trademarks of their respective owners. The Toyota name, marks, designs and logos, as well as Toyota model names, are registered trademarks of Toyota Motor Corporation***Ad Management plugin by RedTyger
 
Copyright © 2019


Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.