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Old 07-09-2019, 08:21 PM #16
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We moved from a National Forest in the East to a little town called Moab. We moved here because we love getting out and exploring and Moab has plenty of opportunities to do just that.

I have driven jacked up work trucks that would chrun through mud and swamps but would chatter over pavement. I have a lot of experience getting buried in sand and want to avoid it in the future. I do not have much experience rock hopping but am an old geezer that knows how to drive wthin a cars limit so I anticipate learning how to negotiate the boulders and ledges found all over southern Utah.

We have, during various 3 week vacations, rented 4Runners as our fly in and drive away cars. They sure are nice SYVs. Probably our favorite.

I would not be shopping for the capabilities of a Jeep if we did not live in Moab. I would not want to put up with the idiosyncrasies, but because we are here we want to live life to the fullest.

I have considered a used FJ Cruiser but it seems like a 4Runner is equal to or outperforms it despite the FJ's tough duty appearance. The FJ seems to have the same limitations with regards to modding for big tires and high ground clearance.

As mentioned, we are not interested in rock crawling as a hobby but it seems inevitable that we will occasionally have to crawl over something just to get to the scenic overlook or hiking opportunity we are trying to get to. Folks out here brag about how you can do most stuff in a stock rig, and local kids in Subarus are proving it everyday, but most people we see heading to the outback are running 35's and 37's with reduced gearing.

I really appreciate the help here. because I needed to learn if and how you may turn a 4Runner into a big wheel rig.
I think you need to be honest with yourself and ask "self, why do I want a big wheel rig? I'm not going to go rock hopping, so do I really need the 35's or do I just want it because it looks cool?"

Both reasons are legitimate, but they may require different approaches.

How important is fit and finish and reliability?

How long will you keep the car? Is resale important?

While we love to talk about big wheels and huge lifts here on the forum, the question is if most of that capability is utilized.

I've always wanted a Jeep - until my brother-in-law bought one and I got to live with it on and off for a couple of years. The four corners were impossible to see, it wasn't very comfortable and my shins took a beating getting in and out. Highway driving was exhausting but it was capable off-road.

Jeeps have a reputation in the US, but there is a reason that you don't find many in places like the middle east, where Land Cruisers, Prados, Hilux and the like rule the roost.
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Just buy the Jeep. The new JLUR is amazing. Better axles, bigger tires, easy to lift, better transfer case, etc.

OP says 20% on-road? Get the Jeep.
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The Mercedes G Class 4x4 squared is out of my price range, but that doesn't mean I don't want one.

I know exactly why I want a high clearance vehicle, and the last thing in our mind is because of the looks.

The public property BLM desert trails start about 2 blocks from our driveway.

We no longer commute to work.

We already have a grocery store car, but the grocery store is only 1 mile away so we often ride bikes there.

We already have a high speed highway camper van for scooting up to Wyoming and Montana on a moments notice.

We want a dedicated off road vehicle to go further out into the canyon lands, and up into the mountains than we have previously dared. That's our primary hobby now and will be far into the future.

I think I learned what I needed to know.

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Seriously man. 20% on road and you live in Moab. Just buy the Jeep, or as mentioned above, an FJ. You say you donít want to build a rock crawler though and you donít want to desert race but you want to replace all the stock control arms? The Jeep will do all you need it for and youíll be close to home so no worries.

Also I fit 255/80r17 tires on my stock 4R. 33Ē. Itís just when you want your tires to be wider than stock that you run into most of the problems you are seeing.
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I figure there is a Jeep shop on every corner in the town of Moab.

Maybe you should just by a Crown Vic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFwPXEeJ3aI
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That's right around the corner and just up the hill from our house.

There was a guy with a Prius high centered on that track last week.
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Hi,

As mentioned, we are not interested in rock crawling as a hobby but it seems inevitable that we will occasionally have to crawl over something just to get to the scenic overlook or hiking opportunity we are trying to get to. Folks out here brag about how you can do lots of stuff in a stock rig, and local kids in Subarus are proving it everyday, but most people we see heading to the outback are running 35's and 37's with reduced gearing.

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Buy a good 4R and use the money you would have spent on ridiculous tires and spend it on some good safety and communication gear and do some training with knowledgeable locals. That stuff--and more importantly your brain--will get you further that a set of fat tires.
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Jeep brought a bunch of Gladiators to Moab for demos this spring.

They were greeted with wild enthusiasm by the Jeep cult, but I would buy a Ford Super Duty 250 if I wanted a pickup truck with a solid front axle.

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The Mercedes G Class 4x4 squared is out of my price range, but that doesn't mean I don't want one.

I know exactly why I want a high clearance vehicle, and the last thing in our mind is because of the looks.

The public property BLM desert trails start about 2 blocks from our driveway.

We no longer commute to work.

We already have a grocery store car, but the grocery store is only 1 mile away so we often ride bikes there.

We already have a high speed highway camper van for scooting up to Wyoming and Montana on a moments notice.

We want a dedicated off road vehicle to go further out into the canyon lands, and up into the mountains than we have previously dared. That's our primary hobby now and will be far into the future.

I think I learned what I needed to know.

Thank you.
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The JK and whatever they call the new one are way overpriced, and way underpowered. the TJ/LJ was the last year of the 4.0L inline 6, which has plenty of torque.
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I'll probably get some heat for this here, but this is my take on it:

Without question, get a JEEP if you're going to be living in Moab.

Even if you don't think you'll be crawling now, if you do it once, you'll get hooked.

And like you said, 37's are easy on a Jeep, while being damn near impossible on a 4Runner. I actually think it's probably easier to fit a 37" tire on a Jeep than a 33" tire on a 4Runner. The 4Runner is just not designed for that level of modification or offroading.

I own a 4Runner, and I bought it because I thought it would be a slightly better DD as I commute 60miles a day. I also believe the long term reliability will be better, and I plan to put on a lot of miles.

Another reason I got the Runner was that I was honest with myself and realized that living in RI I would not find the type of offroading that I would like to do with a Jeep (like what you have in Moab), and it's capability would be wasted on me.

I was in Moab a few times mountainbiking, and my first time there I rented a 2door Rubicon and ran some trails. That thing was AMAZING offroad, and made everything seem easy.

Go watch some videos of Jeeps offroading vs. 4Runners offroading. The 4Runners are constantly lifting wheels due to the lack of wheel travel, especially in the front. The Jeeps on the other hand have an amazing ability to keep all 4 wheels on the ground thanks to the better designed front suspension. Look up youtubers LiteBrite and Wayalife for some great JL content. The 4Runner videos are downright boring compared to what the Jeeps do.

If I lived in Moab I wouldn't have even looked at a 4Runner, unless I already had a wheeling rig and wanted a DD.

IMO the Jeep is an offroad vehicle you can drive on the road, the 4Runner is a street vehicle that can be taken on the trail.
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Thanks to everyone for the replies, comments and info.

I was sincerely curious to learn what sort f modifications were available for a 4Runner. I had not looked into the details before. All the ideas shared here have been helpful.



Thank you.
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