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What everyone in the SW thinks their 4r'er does.

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KDSS isn't available in the "Gulf states". That means from Texas to Florida. I think you can special order it. I would guess the same would be true in northern New England. Not sure what the thought is on that unless it has to do with trying to sell more GX460's where KDSS is a standard feature and comes in all of them. It's really pretty silly if you ask me, down here in the south you may not be 4x4 all the time but we drive on the highway alot and KDSS makes a big difference around corners.

I bought mine in Peoria, AZ and drove it home.
Not sure where you got your info, but KDSS is most certainly available on the lot the the Gulf States. I live in FL, and see them at the dealership lot all the time. Matter of fact, most of the Trail editions come with the slider installed too.
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Not sure where you got your info, but KDSS is most certainly available on the lot the the Gulf States. I live in FL, and see them at the dealership lot all the time. Matter of fact, most of the Trail editions come with the slider installed too.
Then they are not getting their 4runners using the regular Gulf method. KDSS is special order only for those states. I searched for months and found this the hard way until I found a dealership in Texas that traded with a non-gulf dealership.
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Also, KDSS all the way. It's such a huge improvement and has been so awesome as I've just about maxed out my truck with extra weight. It handles so well.
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I don't understand why the pro doesn't have KDSS or a sunroof (as that seems to be a big complaint)


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I don't understand why the pro doesn't have KDSS or a sunroof (as that seems to be a big complaint)
Pro now comes standard with a sunroof.

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Yes, for the same reason why they don't offer the Pro with KDSS: it's made in Japan. Bear with me.

It's made in Japan at the Tahara plant, which is one of the most automated factories in the world. The 4Runner is likely its most mature assembly line there, since the truck has been around since 2009. It's also the one with the smallest throughput (units sold). Changes in integration (yes, including adding more paint colors) disrupt the 4Runner's tightly run assembly and takt times, on an export-only vehicle that is already at the mercy of import tariffs. Just adding paint colors is probably enough to shave profit margin down to unbearable levels. The Pro is the exception, and they charge dearly for the new changes (up again by $3500 this year). By contrast, pickup production is in San Antonio with 2 shifts and in the case of the Tacoma, more demand than supply. They have no tariffs and by extension, a more comfortable profit margin.

For the same reason, they do not install Pro suspension or any other trim pieces on the 4Runner in Japan- it would disrupt a mature and optimized production process. All Pro trucks (4R, Tundra, Tacoma) start with the Off Road model and then are changed by a TRD task team AFTER the assembly is complete. In the 4Runner's case, after it arrives port-side in the US. This is justifiable for a small volume of units that command a vastly higher price, such as the Pro.

When Toyota reviewed the man-hours required for the Pro upgrade task team, they still have to make sure there is a comfortable margin. It is my assertion that the complete disassembly of the KDSS end links and extra cylinder manipulation would kill this margin. Thus, no KDSS availability on the Pro.
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Then they are not getting their 4runners using the regular Gulf method. KDSS is special order only for those states. I searched for months and found this the hard way until I found a dealership in Texas that traded with a non-gulf dealership.
Not sure what method they could use other than the regular method.
Regardless, your blanket statement isn't correct, as dealerships in FL stock 4Runners with KDSS.
When I purchased my '18 with KDSS, it was part of their inbound stock, and I had one thing added as a PIO. It arrived in less than a week after I purchased it. Had the VIN the day I ordered it. The only reason I didn't purchase off the lot was because they didn't have a MGM TRDORP with KDSS on the lot. Since I had to wait a few days, I had them do the 3-1 LED DRLS as a PIO. But they had several other KDSS equipped 4Runners on the lot.
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I'd say the work done at the port is part of an import agreement rather than disrupting the assembly line.
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I don't understand why the pro doesn't have KDSS or a sunroof (as that seems to be a big complaint)


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Some of us (myself included) don't want a sunroof. I've had them on the majority of my vehicles, including the panoramic style, and they are rarely touched by myself or the misses. In regards to the Pro, I knew I was going to put a full length rack up top so a sunroof would be pointless and would only add to more wind noise in the cabin. As of 2019, Pro's come standard with a sunroof and a few other items, that's part of the reason for the $3K+ base price hike over the 2015-2018 models.
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Not sure where you got your info, but KDSS is most certainly available on the lot the the Gulf States. I live in FL, and see them at the dealership lot all the time. Matter of fact, most of the Trail editions come with the slider installed too.
Florida, while it is technically a state located on the gulf, it is not under the Gulf States Toyota distribution arm. GST controls distribution for Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Mississippi.


All that said, GST has not been importing KDSS equipped 4runners since 2013. I would know, I spent a month trying to find one in the region and ended up special ordering. Each dealer I talked too acknowledged that GST/Friedkin did not order or request mass allocations for KDSS 4runners. You'd have to special order and pray they accept it.


Edit: I stand corrected. There are 4 total for sale in the region, and only available in MGM or Nautical Blue. My guess is that they were special ordered and the people backed out, or a dealer requested them specifically. There's no associated VIN with the 4, so I can't find who has them in stock and with all that said, you still will likely have to special order one in the GST region.
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Its incredibly ugly. Works on a fj. Not on a 4runner
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I tried to have the wife look at 4Runners for a while before we bought her first new car is a while. She drove a non KDSS SR5 and felt like it handled like a boat. I couldn't argue. We ended up with an Outback. (Which I secretly loved....)

When kiddo came along, she waned something taller as did I so we looked at 4Runners again. This time we had a trail premium with KDSS and she liked it enough that we traded in the Outback. Kinda miss that outback...

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What everyone in the SW thinks their 4r'er does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEE9fTcxQCM
Toyota does its part too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXqi69vFR6Q&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdOa-0xjTHE&feature=youtu.be
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I have had a few Toyota trucks over the years. Traded my 2015 Tacoma in on my 2017 4Runner Pro. My truck was all modded up and sold everything off it. I did not want to go thru doing the same to my 4Runner and I liked how the Pro looked and the value especially I bought mine msrp. It was not hiked up. No plans in changing out anything. I can trade this in the fall for a 2019 or 2020 and get almost what I paid. I did the same with my Tacoma.
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I'd say the work done at the port is part of an import agreement rather than disrupting the assembly line.
I have no idea what you mean by that. What import agreement, and why would portside installs affect it?
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