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Originally Posted by pumacat24
My issue has been since April.
Have you had an actual meeting the owner of your dealership? That’s where I started to make ground. Have videos in hand to show your radio and steering issue.
So sorry you are going through this too.
I am hoping for some good news from Toyota tomorrow. I also can’t wait for this to be over.
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No we can't seem to get past the service manager. My wife did file a BBB complaint today against the dealer so we will see.
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08-05-2019, 04:40 PM
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No we can't seem to get past the service manager. My wife did file a BBB complaint today against the dealer so we will see.
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Yikes! Sorry you had to go that route with your dealer. That might make them not want to help you?? But I guess they haven’t been helping that much to begin with anyway.
My UPDATE for the day:
Toyota National guy has verified everything with the Regional people and formally submitted a claim for replacement with the Toyota Dispute Resolution Department which could take up to 45 days for an answer and there is NO GUARANTEE they will approve it.
I mean I guess they have to say that to cover themselves if it’s negligence on the owners part or if the owner is lying about service records etc...
I then emailed my Regional guy who call me last week and said he would be in charge of my case to let him know my statement I made to Toyota National and my request.
I also told him that I understand this has to go through the proper channels but it’s rather discouraging to hear I have another 45 days to go and I could be denied for a replacement when I was called by the owner of the dealership 2 weeks ago and told that Toyota was going to replace my car.
Fingers still crossed that they come through in their original word.
No clue when I’ll have another update. Hopefully soon.
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08-05-2019, 06:59 PM
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Yes, it’s that same high frequency but even jumpier and more harsh. Haha if that makes sense.
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That's about what mine does as well. I'm about to take it in for the first oil change and was going to have them look at it.
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Mine is back to being about this bad after putting on new wheels and tires. I went through a similar ordeal as Pumacat within the first year of ownership, but it never got to her level because the regional tech was able to get it to a "satisfactory" level after new tires and over a week in the shop. For the last 2 years it has been bearable but not perfect and so I just lived with it because I was tired of all the time and inconvenience it had cost me, and I felt like the dealership was done with me anyways.
So now I am out of Lemon Law period and out of factory warranty. But at least I own a $40k vehicle with cool new wheels and tires that I despise getting on the highway with. Do they make a governor that will prevent me from going past 60mph?
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Mine was not as bad as the one in that video I linked to and it still bugged me. But some of you are saying are yours is the same or worse than that video, I don't know how you can take it for so long.
There is a reply from the author of the video that new KO2 tires also fixed his problem.
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08-05-2019, 07:02 PM
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My shake came back coming from Michelin Defenders and going to TRD Pro wheels and stock size Wildpeaks. Pretty much identical shake that I had with factory Dunlops. I have a full set of 5100s that I am needing to get installed, but my factory shocks don't seem to be leaking or anything.
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Can you go back to Michelin Defenders? In the Falken Wildpeak thread, there are lots of complaints about vibration with this tire.
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08-05-2019, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by pumacat24
Yikes! Sorry you had to go that route with your dealer. That might make them not want to help you?? But I guess they haven’t been helping that much to begin with anyway.
My UPDATE for the day:
Toyota National guy has verified everything with the Regional people and formally submitted a claim for replacement with the Toyota Dispute Resolution Department which could take up to 45 days for an answer and there is NO GUARANTEE they will approve it.
I mean I guess they have to say that to cover themselves if it’s negligence on the owners part or if the owner is lying about service records etc...
I then emailed my Regional guy who call me last week and said he would be in charge of my case to let him know my statement I made to Toyota National and my request.
I also told him that I understand this has to go through the proper channels but it’s rather discouraging to hear I have another 45 days to go and I could be denied for a replacement when I was called by the owner of the dealership 2 weeks ago and told that Toyota was going to replace my car.
Fingers still crossed that they come through in their original word.
No clue when I’ll have another update. Hopefully soon.
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Sounds to me like they are giving you the run around.
I think you need to start researching and talking to SC Lawyers that are familiar with the Lemon Law.
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08-05-2019, 07:45 PM
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Sounds to me like they are giving you the run around.
I think you need to start researching and talking to SC Lawyers that are familiar with the Lemon Law.
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Hopefully it does not come to that and I don’t feel like it will.
I’ll be calling my dealership tomorrow to talk with the owner and give him an update.
Worst case scenario, the owner of my dealership has already promised me that he would get me out of my car if Toyota couldn’t fix it. I know he will help me out.
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08-05-2019, 07:49 PM
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Can you go back to Michelin Defenders? In the Falken Wildpeak thread, there are lots of complaints about vibration with this tire.
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May be a bad batch of Wildpeaks from earlier in the year. All 5 of mine were replaced under warranty for being out of round. The vibration was horrible and felt like a workout after a 10 minute drive on the highway. Vibrations disappeared with the new set.
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08-05-2019, 08:00 PM
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I Googled "toyota clamshell bushing eliminates vibration" to find the following information. The reported symptoms vary … here are 3 instances …
Intermittent vibration/humming while driving. Comes and goes, often more present with cooler temp outside, especially when truck is cold. Goes away when 4wd is engaged, comes back when disengaged.
Vibrations can be felt coming through the steering wheel and seat/ console... they come in consistent wave like patterns every 5-10 seconds, more noticeably around 60-70 mph. feels like motor shuttering slightly but annoyingly because it comes and goes.
Toyota took a look under extended warranty. Removed the driveline entirely and still vibes existed. Installed carrier bearing spacer anyways. Maybe helped a little didn't really notice though the tech said he did. Finally saw this thread and tried 4wd on a flat straight road, vibes didn't seem to go away in 4wd. Checked in the garage any play from the carrier to the CV in 2wd vs 4wd and it was a worlds difference between passenger and driver in 2wd. With the former being stiff from the carrier and the driver side having about an inch of play. 4wd play was gone on the driver side.
Front Diff Vibes ECGS bushing fix. | Tacoma World
Needle Bearing Failure With Lift (How Many) | Tacoma World
Vibrations after lift kit. (Solved) | Toyota 4Runner Forum [4Runners.com]
Levi writes, "It's a problem with Toyota 4 runners, fj cruiser and the Tacoma … extremely common". However, my search turned up mostly Tacoma hits.
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08-05-2019, 08:32 PM
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To the OP. Can you share your alignment specs? I haven't noticed any discussion on what your alignment looks like and caster is supper important. I am sure I am simplifying, but I always thing of the caster wheels on a shopping cart that flap around. If the caster is positive enough, it inherently stabilizes the caster.
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08-05-2019, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Hans Moleman
Can you go back to Michelin Defenders? In the Falken Wildpeak thread, there are lots of complaints about vibration with this tire.
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I could go back to Michelins but I don't feel that any vehicle should be limited to only being able to run one certain set of tires. The Michelins ride great but aren't the look I am going for. I have only been riding them until now because that is how the Toyota techs were able to "mask" the issue and I was burnt out dealing with it. I actually prolonged my goal of Pro wheels and new tires because I was worried that the problem would come back, which it did.
I read extensively about the Wildpeaks on this site and while there are some complaints about vibrations and there did seem to be a manufacturing issue recently, the overall reviews of the tires are great. You can also find vibration complaints about any other tire on this site, even KO2s. When this vibration issue was first coming to light a few years back, many blamed the factory Dunlops. Even I did, especially after the Michelins helped my issue. However, over time there has been countless wheel/tire combinations that have reported having this issue. So while yes, some certainly have had vibrations issues due to faulty tires, it is my theory that for the rest of us there is an underlying issue and what makes it difficult is that some tires mask the issue better than others. Toyota claims that Pumacat's tires and wheels are not the source of her issue, and I don't believe mine are either.
Maybe it is coincidence that my new Wildpeaks are faulty and so were my factory Dunlops. All I know is that they both produce the same exact issue. Discount Tire has already balanced my Wildpeaks twice. The first couple days after balance, they ride good but then the problem comes back(just like with the factory Dunlops the countless times the dealer balanced them). While I would like to keep taking the truck back to Discount to have them re-balance, I know that most likely the 18 year old kids working there will not be able to remedy my issue. Maybe I should force them to test each wheel and tire to make sure there are no issues, just to rule that out for sure.
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I Googled "toyota clamshell bushing eliminates vibration" to find the following information. The reported symptoms vary … here are 3 instances …
Intermittent vibration/humming while driving. Comes and goes, often more present with cooler temp outside, especially when truck is cold. Goes away when 4wd is engaged, comes back when disengaged.
Vibrations can be felt coming through the steering wheel and seat/ console... they come in consistent wave like patterns every 5-10 seconds, more noticeably around 60-70 mph. feels like motor shuttering slightly but annoyingly because it comes and goes.
Toyota took a look under extended warranty. Removed the driveline entirely and still vibes existed. Installed carrier bearing spacer anyways. Maybe helped a little didn't really notice though the tech said he did. Finally saw this thread and tried 4wd on a flat straight road, vibes didn't seem to go away in 4wd. Checked in the garage any play from the carrier to the CV in 2wd vs 4wd and it was a worlds difference between passenger and driver in 2wd. With the former being stiff from the carrier and the driver side having about an inch of play. 4wd play was gone on the driver side.
Front Diff Vibes ECGS bushing fix. | Tacoma World
Needle Bearing Failure With Lift (How Many) | Tacoma World
Vibrations after lift kit. (Solved) | Toyota 4Runner Forum [4Runners.com]
Levi writes, "It's a problem with Toyota 4 runners, fj cruiser and the Tacoma … extremely common". However, my search turned up mostly Tacoma hits.
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Good research.
I gain two things from this:
1. Those who used this as a fix seem to be fixing an issue with the differential needle bearing, but Toyota replaced Pumacat's differential and the problem persisted. So it doesn't appear that our issue is related to the differential, hence this bushing would not help.
2. Those who used this as a fix where having issues after a lift. The vast majority of us with this vibration issue do not have lifts.
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No we can't seem to get past the service manager. My wife did file a BBB complaint today against the dealer so we will see.
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Consider a certified letter sent to the owner of the dealership. A complaint to the Better Business Bureau may get you a response, but it usually yields a significantly different outcome.
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Hopefully it does not come to that and I don’t feel like it will.
I’ll be calling my dealership tomorrow to talk with the owner and give him an update.
Worst case scenario, the owner of my dealership has already promised me that he would get me out of my car if Toyota couldn’t fix it. I know he will help me out.
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I don't think its a "run around". Getting a new vehicle isn't an easy 1,2,3 process. Give it time. I'm actually surprised at the relatively short time frame provided. In the meantime, I would continue to complain about the vehicle, continue to bring it to the same dealership, and continue to document the ongoing issue and attempts at repair. A lack of activity on your end during the current phase is something they will see. Don't let it be a clear 45 days. Afterwards, if you are not given what was suggested to you, you can pursue a Lemon Law case immediately with the proper documentation and allotted time having already been reached. Having your vehicle once again in the hands of the dealership will help Toyota see the nature of the situation, the type of person you are, and hopefully nudge them in the right direction.
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08-05-2019, 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ellroy2
I could go back to Michelins but I don't feel that any vehicle should be limited to only being able to run one certain set of tires. The Michelins ride great but aren't the look I am going for. I have only been riding them until now because that is how the Toyota techs were able to "mask" the issue and I was burnt out dealing with it. I actually prolonged my goal of Pro wheels and new tires because I was worried that the problem would come back, which it did.
I read extensively about the Wildpeaks on this site and while there are some complaints about vibrations and there did seem to be a manufacturing issue recently, the overall reviews of the tires are great. You can also find vibration complaints about any other tire on this site, even KO2s. When this vibration issue was first coming to light a few years back, many blamed the factory Dunlops. Even I did, especially after the Michelins helped my issue. However, over time there has been countless wheel/tire combinations that have reported having this issue. So while yes, some certainly have had vibrations issues due to faulty tires, it is my theory that for the rest of us there is an underlying issue and what makes it difficult is that some tires mask the issue better than others. Toyota claims that Pumacat's tires and wheels are not the source of her issue, and I don't believe mine are either.
Maybe it is coincidence that my new Wildpeaks are faulty and so were my factory Dunlops. All I know is that they both produce the same exact issue. Discount Tire has already balanced my Wildpeaks twice. The first couple days after balance, they ride good but then the problem comes back(just like with the factory Dunlops the countless times the dealer balanced them). While I would like to keep taking the truck back to Discount to have them re-balance, I know that most likely the 18 year old kids working there will not be able to remedy my issue. Maybe I should force them to test each wheel and tire to make sure there are no issues, just to rule that out for sure.
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The issue isn't present on Michelin Defenders??
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For the people who have the vibration, is it something you can live with or does it just make the truck miserable to own and drive?
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