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It still has 1/4" of rake.


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The front spring rate is 600lbs, not the rear. Rear is around the 200lb mark. Wheelers I believe is 195lb. (Feel free to correct me to the actual number)
You are mixing up two different products.
Thanks @MGordo , you're right it's 12% stiffer than stock at 195#... it's what I get for overthinking and multitasking.
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who's got a PRO with some weight on the front end?
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who's got a PRO with some weight on the front end?
I do, but I don't think I've got another coast-to-coast road trip in me this spring/summer. Spring upgrade is my next project after my 996 engine rebuild.
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i do, but i don't think i've got another coast-to-coast road trip in me this spring/summer. Spring upgrade is my next project after my 996 engine rebuild.
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ims?
Cracked cylinder. Going big. Look up "yaz's rebuild" over on rennlist.
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I have about 130 extra weight in the front
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Will you have an option for 2 front?
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First off, I am very happy to see this thread and have been looking for a way to squeeze another inch or so of lift out of my 2019 Pro without resorting to using spacers (or replacing the fox suspension for something else).

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Is this 1.8 inch Taller than a stock TRD pro, so essentially 2.8 inches taller than stock SR5?
I understand exactly what you mean, and had the exact same question, though it doesn't seem to actually be answered yet. 2018 and earlier Pros supposedly had the stock ride height, but 2019/20 w/ the Fox setup is supposedly already 1" higher than standard ride height. If we have the same control arms and ball joint setups as all other 4runners, then there is already 1" of lift into our geometry, and adding another 1.8" on top of that would put us at 2.8" worth of lift into the control arm geometry. Since the general thought here seems to be that anything over 2.5" requires UCAs to get to proper alignment, this question is very important.

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Thanks Ryan. To clarify (and I think what the other poster’s question is), these springs will lift a Pro 1.8 additional inches, bringing the total lift to ~2.8” compared to a stock SR5. Correct?

If so, I know a lot of guys with a 3” front lift are running aftermarket upper control arms to be able to get their castor in spec, and many of them are also dropping their front diff. However, I don’t know if the control arms on the Fox outfitted Pro are already different than the other trim level trucks.

I really would like a set of these springs as I’ve had Eibach drop springs in the past and have liked them a lot... but If it’s going to come along with a new rabbit hole I’m not so sure.
I bolded the important part above. If we have the same control arms and components as all other 4runners (and that is the impression I am under), then we ALREADY have 1" of lift into our otherwise stock geometry. I suppose it'd be moot if we have different control arms that compensate for our extra 1" of lift, but that isn't the case as far as I know.

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I know exactly what he’s asking and I’m trying not to answer it and confuse everybody. There’s just no reason to compare it to non-PRO. You’re already getting worried about arms because of it even though I said upper arms are not needed ;)

Everything you are concerned about is checked during our R&D process. If you need arms, diff drop, etc etc it will absolutely be mentioned waaaaay in advance. For 1.8” of lift it’s not necessary.

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It's true that UCAs aren't needed for 1.8" of lift on a normal 4runner front suspension, except it wouldn't be 1.8" of lift on the 2019+ TRDP control arms and suspension parts which are already 1" lifted as they come stock. Not trying to be difficult here and I'd be happy to understand properly if I am misunderstanding, but it doesn't appear as if you do understand what he's asking. If we already have 1" of lift into our otherwise standard 4runner IFS system, and you are saying this adds another 1.8" over that, then it would indeed be 2.8" of lift on what is otherwise the same stock 4runner components that all 4runners use (components that can't go over 2.5" of lift without causing alignment issues without UCAs). The components which control the geometry and ultimately our ability to achieve alignment are the same as all other 4runners as I understand it, the only difference being that we already have 1" of lift on those components. Am I wrong? Was Toyota wrong when they said that the 2019+ Pros has 1" of lift over the other models? According to the answer you provided, these springs will add another 1.8" of lift on top of the 1" we already have, which would mean that our stock control arms and ball joints would be operating at 2.8" of lift over standard height, which is indeed outside of Toyota's design parameters for the stock UCAs according to everything else I've seen on these forums. If this is wrong I'd appreciate someone providing an answer that clarifies for those of us who are confused. Are 2019 Pros already lifted an inch like Toyota said they were?
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Your premise about 19 pros compared to earlier ones is wrong.
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Your premise about ‘19 pros compared to earlier ones is wrong.
If you're replying to me, I'd be fine with being wrong on that, but it's been widely published by both Toyota and the professional reviewers in all of the "new for 2019" materials and articles for the 4Runner TRDPs.

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"The front Fox shocks are paired with TRD-tuned coil springs, and the combination provides an additional 1 inch of front lift for improved trail-tackling capability. "

Zach Butler with TFLTruck
"Mechanically, the TRD Pro gets a 1-inch lift and wheel travel over standard models."

The Car Guide
"The TRD Pro now receives 2.5-inch Fox shocks which, along with the TRD-tuned springs, brings a one-inch ground clearance increase as well as one more inch of wheel travel."

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"The updated front shocks also afford an extra inch of wheel travel."

It isn't hard to find published material that confirms it, so did Toyota and others falsely make these claims? I've not measured them myself, so I don't know it to be true personally, but it's hard to imagine it would be so widely published as such if it wasn't true. And since it's been so widely published including by Toyota themselves, many people are under the impression that it's the case. Unfortunately it's hard to know where to go from here without a definitive answer.

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If you're replying to me, I'd be fine with being wrong on that, but it's been widely published by both Toyota and the professional reviewers in all of the "new for 2019" materials and articles for the 4Runner TRDPs.

Toyota material
"The front Fox shocks are paired with TRD-tuned coil springs, and the combination provides an additional 1 inch of front lift for improved trail-tackling capability. "

Zach Butler with TFLTruck
"Mechanically, the TRD Pro gets a 1-inch lift and wheel travel over standard models."

The Car Guide
"The TRD Pro now receives 2.5-inch Fox shocks which, along with the TRD-tuned springs, brings a one-inch ground clearance increase as well as one more inch of wheel travel."

Top Speed
"The updated front shocks also afford an extra inch of wheel travel."

It isn't hard to find published material that confirms it, so did Toyota and others falsely make these claims? I've not measured them myself, so I don't know it to be true personally, but it's hard to imagine it would be so widely published as such if it wasn't true. And since it's been so widely published including by Toyota themselves, many people are under the impression that it's the case. Unfortunately it's hard to know where to go from here without a definitive answer.
The 19/20 Toyota TRD Pro’s are essentially TRD Off Road’s with added wheels, badges and suspension at the port. Don’t believe, open the driver door of any trd pro and read the spec label. It will incorrectly show the trd off roads' wheel dimensions instead of the TRD pro wheel dimensions

So yes, the Elbach lift will give you an added 2.6 inches of total lift from what the Toyota 4Runner was originally designed to handle.

Personally, I think an additional 1 inch of lift would have been perfect. 1.6 inches is a weird number that will definitely give negative rake on the TRD pros. Its going to force most people to buy rear coils to preserve a leveling look.

I imagine that was the point though, cross selling.

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