Interesting...

I never mentioned where they were bolted on, and that doesn't change anything being discussed here either way.

It seems you do agree on everything I did mention though, and that's exactly the issue. If these springs add the 1.8" (now revised to 1.6" in another thread) to our current lift settings as was stated, that leaves us at 2.8" (now 2.6") total lift into our IFS. It seems generally accepted from everything I've seen on this forum and pretty much everywhere else, that UCAs are recommended over 2", and pretty much a necessity over 2.5" although opinions do vary on this subject, which is somewhat contrary to Ryan's post about no UCAs required depending on where you draw line (or how it affects your ability to align properly).

Clearly there is confusion here about exactly what we are getting, and how much lift we'll end up with, which is important to know. Personally, I am fine with having 2.6" overall and don't mind replacing my UCAs if necessary to get it provided the Fox shocks work well set up this way, but the result needs to be clear and it doesn't seem to be at this point as some folks have pointed out and inquired about.

I agree completely about the 1.6" in the front and rake angles. I'd want to bring up the rear a similar amount as well, as I personally would prefer to keep the rake as it is or only slightly lessened as I always keep a fair amount of gear in the back and tow frequently. I'd rather it have the rake on the rare occasion that I'm not loaded in the rear, as opposed to having the front high the majority of the time as it would be if I was "leveled"...

Eta on being able to order these?

Coming from Jeeps, I know exactly what lifting does to a vehicle. The Jeep could be lifted about 2" without any caster correction. If you lift a Jeep 3+ then you have all kinds of steering components that need to be addressed. I bought the Pro because I didn't want to touch the suspension. I admit I would like it to be about another inch taller with some 275's. Since this Eibach is another 1.6" higher I can't see how that wouldn't affect alignment and other components. Lifting a Jeep seems way less complicated than adding a lift to an IFS.

It definitely will.. and I still dont really understand "1.6 inches" as it doesn't even level it. There's definitely some corners being cut to push this product out faster.

I will wait until Eibach starts selling it before I begin questioning it. More than likely I will stay with the stock suspension anyway, but I'm still interested in seeing what Eibach has to offer.

Its either cross selling or cutting corners to push a product out. Either way one thing is for sure, this product wasn't designed in the best interest of the consumer.

From Ryans posts, it was meant to be paired with their rear 1" lift coils..

If you are looking for a smaller lift there are several other options:
-Cornfed/Westman spacers
-Icon/Fox/Elka 13" 600/650lb coils. This will give you ~0.8" lift.

Just don't buy it. Simple as that.

We've been in the suspension business for 65 years. If we cut corners we wouldn't be in business.

We've spent hours and hours on R&D, made various prototypes, dyno'd the shocks multiple times and we're also the OE spring supplier for the PRO. You're getting your info from forums and google. You just asked me two months ago if the PRO had different clips in the front and now you're the expert....

While we are it here's another Eibach product for your PRO that osideplayer will hate



Being able to adjust your ride height in the rear is ridiculous, right? This will certainly ruin a PRO...

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That's how I feel.

Never said I was an expert, but I do own the the TRD fox shocks and I love the way they ride on my vehicle.


You are so dramatic man lol

Any chance you will be able to post the shock dyno with comparison to stock springs?

You generally don't dyno shocks with springs installed.

When you accuse us of cutting corners I'm going to get very dramatic. Jump in the spacer thread if you want to to talk about cutting corners.