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Old 09-13-2019, 09:39 PM #16
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I ran my Dueller's for 30k. I recommend getting rid of them right away, they were POS's. Just about any AT tire will work, BFG, General, Falken, Cooper, Toyo, Nitto, Goodyear etc... If you do plan on a lot of off-road, then you may want to consider a C rated tire rather than a P rated tire.

There are aftermarket options for a bigger screen, but the long term reliability might be questionable. I'd rather have an 8" screen, but the one I have is adequate. The JBL system in yours (I believe that is standard now in the OR) will be better than the non-JBL I have. Mine is still adequate but not that great. Unless you just like it loud and proud, the JBL should be adequate.

I recommend getting the sliding rear cargo tray if you can get one. Some don't like it but I do. Keeps the rear flat so you can sleep back there without building a platform yourself. Plus is great for tailgaiting.

If you haven't already purchased it, the new TRD OR's have an option called "Predator" I believe. It is basically the TRD Pro wheel and some Nitto Terra Grapplers. They charge too much for it in my opinion, but if you can negotiate it down might be a good idea. If you don't get it, I would sell your stock wheels and get aftermarket. You can sell your tires and wheels together that way.
All great advice but I would call P vs LTC is a wash. I have 5,500 offroad miles on P metrics. They must be run at street pressures or near street pressures though. Otherwise, yes, they will not survive as well as LT.But they have good traction and comfort at 30-33.

Tires with serious shoulders like the Wildpeak and the Ridge Grapplers are fine. I run the former. Toyo AT II is a good tire and lasts longer but will be replaced by AT III before long.The Discount Tire Goodyear Ultraterrain is interesting. The General ATX is probably just as durable as any of the others mentioned. There are many P metrics I would not buy though so there is that.

The LTC would provide more fine tuning on and offroad in terms of psi. There are options in 255 75 17. In 265 70 and 275 70 combined, only the KO2 LTC can claim to be stronger than the available P metrics and that again will play rarely, presumably in the harshest deserts.

LT tires provide a bit less clearance on trail as they need to be aired down. They will cost more and also last longer if the tires see lots of offroading. P metrics should last longer if the tires see less offroading.

So I would say that there are good and bad P options as well as good and bad LTC options.

I retire P metrics from offroading at 6/32s and LTs at 5/32s so in my use Wildpeaks would max at 30,000 and KO2s at 40,000 with 27k and 35k, respectively, being more realistic.
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If you want to get lost in worrying about steering issues, go over and read about Wranglers on that forum.
I bought a 2019 off road premium just a few weeks ago and like it a lot. The stock tires were the Duelers and seemed okay but I replaced them with KO2s and it still drives great. I'm not saying that nobody has steering issues, but forums like these seem to magnify any issue. This vehicle is one of the best out there in terms of reliability so I don't think you can go wrong.
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No wobble on my 2019 Off Road w/ 6185 miles on it. I took it straight from the dealer over to Discount Tire and had Falken Wildpeaks put on it in the stock size.

If prices are the same, look for one that has the KDSS system. I don't have it and didn't notice how much horrible body roll it had till I got it home. The Eibach lift I had installed took care of that and now it handles just fine.
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No wobble on my 2019 Off Road w/ 6185 miles on it. I took it straight from the dealer over to Discount Tire and had Falken Wildpeaks put on it in the stock size.

If prices are the same, look for one that has the KDSS system. I don't have it and didn't notice how much horrible body roll it had till I got it home. The Eibach lift I had installed took care of that and now it handles just fine.
Good suggestion but I would say everyone needs to look carefully into KDSS and see if they want it. On a GX, totally, but on the 4R it can go either way.

The OP needs to look at the suspension as a total package including KDSS or lack thereof, immediate or future spring and shocks upgrades, tire types, and use.

I was sure I wanted it until I realized I did not. With 6112s and Icon 2.0 in the rear, I am fine on the street, have more wheel travel than stock (0.75 front and 1.4" rear), and paid 1,000 which also includes rear springs and a choice of lift. Very importantly, there is no monster sway bar to beat me up offroad above 12 mph which is what one is doing most of the time. Of course, running aired down tires will help but P metric tires should not be run aired down (more than a little). Again, a holistic approach is needed, it is not just about kdss in itself.

If the vehicle is to remain stock and not be taken offroad regularly then, yes, KDSS will help tremendously.

Takes on this will vary.
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Mine has been back to the dealership four times so far because it leans to the driver's side >half inch in the front and a full inch in the rear. Still working with local dealers and regional reps to try to resolve.
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Good read on KDSS:

KDSS vs Non-KDSS?

I'm happy with my non-KDSS 4Runner as it is now - lifted.

The on road performance now is apples and oranges better than it was stock. Without the lift (springs, shocks, & struts) - the body roll was absolutely horrible. I was debating taking it a back a week into owning it.

Off Road - well I live off a mile long privately maintained road (2 neighbors and I maintain it). It's dirt, rock, mud, etc. So 2 miles of every trip I go on is rough terrain. I'd say the ride is more firm but not punishing with the lift.

Here's my road when it's dry.
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Head unit: lots of better options. Go to Crutchfeild and check out your options. I went Kenwood. By better I mean nav, info like tire pressure, sound, interface, customizing, screen size, resolution, easy upgrades to nav, Apple Car Play, etc etc.

Wheel wobble: I have 5k on my 2019. But AT3W Wildpeaks on day one. Laser balanced (a little better than Road force, but do this at least with AT tires)

Some wobble set in at 3k. Minor and comes and gos. Rotated tires and had them balanced again, no more wobble. AT tires have a lot of rubber, when they wear it is not 100% even, throwing them out of balance creating wobble. Tire pressure is super important on AT tires, wear, cupping, comfort, handling, tire life...
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I have a difficult time believing that the steering wheel wobble does not "take away from the enjoyment of the vehicle." Mine wobbles above 60 mph at times. Driving those speeds is not as enjoyable when my hands are shaking. Hard to imagine somebody thinking otherwise. Just my experience, I guess.

I'd test drive over 60 mph on several different roads. The surface seems to matter. Good luck.
My fault. I meant more of a 'does it take away from the experience, it makes you want out of owning one'. Curious, when did your wobble show up?
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I have a 2019 TRD Off Road with 650 miles on it. I know what you mean about the touch screen being a little small but I am getting used to it.

On some road surfaces, particularly some where the pavement has ridges from repairs and/or construction is going on, I will get a little vibration in the steering wheel at around 58-59 mph but it goes away as I get to 60 and above. It came with Nitto Terra Grappler tires.


One thing that bugs me is that is has a little bit of a cant or lean towards the drivers side. I notice this when it is parked on a flat surface. I have read on this forum that it is fairly common on these vehicles. I figure it can be adjusted but I'm kind of OCD about stuff like that so it is on the list of things to address.


I forget about all these little things when I am driving as I enjoy it so much. So far, pavement only but eventually I will take it on some trails.
Mine came with Dunlop Grandtrek as stock, and I notice a little wobble every once in a while around 60MPH. It is very infrequent, but if it was more often it would drive me nuts.

Mine has a severe case of the 'lean', and it's been in to the dealer four times (coming up on five). I'm over .5" in the front and almost a full inch (sometimes more) in the rear. I have measured several times in different conditions, and those are the average. It's visible from the rear, so we'll see what they can do about it.

Other than that, I love my old-tech low-tech truck. If they can fix the lean it will be perfect.
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i bought my '19 TRD ORP in January; i didnt have any issues with steering wheel wobble or anything. As for the stock Bridgestone Duelers, i took it straight to the mountains and it was snowing with the road covered in a foot of snow and it handled amazingly.
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My fault. I meant more of a 'does it take away from the experience, it makes you want out of owning one'. Curious, when did your wobble show up?
No prob. My steering wheel wobble was noticeable pretty much right away but it’s road dependent, ranging from pretty smooth to pretty annoying. My commute takes me on back roads and keeps me below 60 mph so it works for me. If I commuted on the freeway every day I might feel differently.
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