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Old 09-14-2019, 05:49 PM #16
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Do you have proof of the different shocks and spring rates? The part catalog only shows 2 parts, sport or non sport. There's no separate option for KDSS vehicles. There is a noob option though so I suspect that's only equipped on your Runner.
it has different sway bars and completely different handling characteristics
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it has different sway bars and completely different handling characteristics
Awesome part numbers on the springs and shocks.
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Awesome part numbers on the springs and shocks.
oh my b, i didn't notice you were a troll
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oh my b, i didn't notice you were a troll
Can't argue back so resort to name calling...
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Apparently 2 trolls ITT

The springs with and without dynamic suspension are different, but this is totally pointless to their claim that they handle the same - they don't. KDSS uses a heavier sway bar, that by itself will make it handle differently even without the KDSS system impacts. Anyone who says that a heavier sway bar doesn't impact vehicle handling and dynamics is either a troll or should be ignored in regards to anything suspension related.

Just go test drive both models if you cant understand the basics

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I could but nah. If you look at the post, the guy stated that they are different.


I retract my previous sarcasm. Yeah shocks are the same but the stiffer sway does make a difference. That’s all that’s going on.
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KDSS more comfortable?

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The springs with and without dynamic suspension are different, but this is totally pointless to their claim that they handle the same - they don't. KDSS uses a heavier sway bar, that by itself will make it handle differently even without the KDSS system impacts. Anyone who says that a heavier sway bar doesn't impact vehicle handling and dynamics is either a troll or should be ignored in regards to anything suspension related.

Just go test drive both models if you cant understand the basics


They all suck compared to the 19+ pro

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Adding my 2cnts. Went from a 16' Trail to a 19' ORP w KDSS and will say that handling / lean is definitely an improvement as the system is designed. On road ride "quality" or comfort to me might actually be a step backwards. The 19' w KDSS the ride feels stiffer / less forgiving and you get more feedback from the road surface. While I like that feel on a sports type performance car, Id rather have a bit more dampening on a 4x4. Tires are p rated Michelin AT2 stock size
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"They all suck compared to the 19+ pro"

We warned you not to drink the Kool=Aid.
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Do you have proof of the different shocks and spring rates? The part catalog only shows 2 parts, sport or non sport. There's no separate option for KDSS vehicles. There is a noob option though so I suspect that's only equipped on your Runner.
Hey *****ass noob,
Maybe your assumption of what is sport vs nonsport was wrong? Noob.

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Listed below are the Trail, then the SR5 respectfully.
The KDSS have different shocks than the non-KDSS.
Non KDSS Trail and SR5 have the same shocks.

[ 1 ] FRONT SUSPENSION / FRONT SUSPENSION / STRUTS & COMPONENTS / Strut
Part Number: 4851080507

strut 4WD, Trail Edition, w/o dynamic susp. Left
PARTS: Order by description.
MSRP $42.44
Online Price $31.12


[ 1 ] FRONT SUSPENSION / FRONT SUSPENSION / STRUTS & COMPONENTS / Strut
Part Number: 4851080507

strut 4WD, Trail Edition, w/o dynamic susp. Right
PARTS: Order by description.
MSRP $42.44
Online Price $31.12




[ 1 ] FRONT SUSPENSION / FRONT SUSPENSION / STRUTS & COMPONENTS / Strut
Part Number: 4851080508

strut 4WD, Trail Edition, w/dynamic susp. Left
PARTS: Order by description.
MSRP $42.44
Online Price $31.12


[ 1 ] FRONT SUSPENSION / FRONT SUSPENSION / STRUTS & COMPONENTS / Strut
Part Number: 4851080508

strut 4WD, Trail Edition, w/dynamic susp. Right
PARTS: Order by description.
MSRP $42.44
Online Price $31.12
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[ 1 ] FRONT SUSPENSION / FRONT SUSPENSION / STRUTS & COMPONENTS / Strut
Part Number: 4851080507

strut 4WD, SR5 Left
PARTS: Order by description.
MSRP $42.44
Online Price $31.12


[ 1 ] FRONT SUSPENSION / FRONT SUSPENSION / STRUTS & COMPONENTS / Strut
Part Number: 4851080507

strut 4WD, SR5 Right
PARTS: Order by description.
MSRP $42.44
Online Price $31.12

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They all suck compared to the 19+ pro
Not according to the ramp travel index ;D

Let's not forget the orig TRD PRO had KDSS removed due to cost.

But ya ideally I'd like the shocks and ride height of PRO with the travel and handling of KDSS. The Fox shocks are sweet.
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And this has devolved into pointless name calling over factory springs and shocks that most of us would agree could be much much better.


Besides we all know the Limited is the best. FTW.
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Maybe your assumption of what is sport vs nonsport was wrong? Noob.
That's a funny way of spelling KDSS.

Tell us what's really wrong dude. Did a noob show you up and now you just call everyone a noob or did you just swallow too much KDSS fluid?
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