View Poll Results: What’s your go to oil?
Toyota Synthetic 88 31.88%
Toyota Synthetic
88 31.88%
Mobile 1 119 43.12%
Mobile 1
119 43.12%
Pennzoil 33 11.96%
Pennzoil
33 11.96%
Quaker State 4 1.45%
Quaker State
4 1.45%
Valvoline 10 3.62%
Valvoline
10 3.62%
Supertech 4 1.45%
Supertech
4 1.45%
Rotella 4 1.45%
Rotella
4 1.45%
Amsoil 26 9.42%
Amsoil
26 9.42%
Redline 4 1.45%
Redline
4 1.45%
Royal Purple 6 2.17%
Royal Purple
6 2.17%
Havoline 3 1.09%
Havoline
3 1.09%
Schaeffer’s 3 1.09%
Schaeffer’s
3 1.09%
Motul 7 2.54%
Motul
7 2.54%
Castrol 17 6.16%
Castrol
17 6.16%
Lucas 3 1.09%
Lucas
3 1.09%
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Old 01-21-2020, 02:42 PM #211
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Two REALLY good articles on PAO and Esters.

Synthetic Esters: Engineered to Perform

Polyalphaolefin (PAO) Lubricants Explained
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Toyota Synthetic 0W20 and OEM filters for me.
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I've had an opportunity to run a 20 weight oil and a 30 weight oil and there are pro's and con's to both. Test oils were Amsoil 0w20 and Amsoil 0w30.

The only pro's for the 0w20 was on cold starts and short trips. I was in Georgia last week and it was dipping into the low to mid 20 degrees at night and the 0w20 defiantly sounded better than the 0w30 on cold morning. And on short trips the 0w20 sounded better with mechanical noise overall.

The 0w30 sounded and felt So Much better overall, and when i was in Florida the 0w30 was butter. Accelerating onto the interstate the engine was much smoother, cold starts were nice and smooth do to the warm weather, city driving was noticeably better and less noisy. Gas mileage? I didn't bother to hand calculate but i know exactly how many tanks of gas it takes on my travels and the difference was not worth calculating.

Overall? I'd recommend the 0w20 in the winter and if you do a lot of short trips; and 30 weight during the summer. Me being in the south east i'll be running the 0w30 or 5w30 year round. If you haven't tried or considered a 30 weight oil i'd recommend trying it this summer, i think you'll be surprised on how well the engine sounds and performs overall.
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Two years ‘free’ maintenance and 5 oil changes...

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Toyota engineers don't know what they're doing. I know what's best for my truck. Thicker is always better, so I use 90W gear lube in the engine, axle grease in the transfer case and diffs, and roofing tar in the slip yokes and U-joints. Booyah. /s
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The dealer sold me lifetime oil so I don't have to worry about it.

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Me being in the south east i'll be running the 0w30 or 5w30 year round. If you haven't tried or considered a 30 weight oil i'd recommend trying it this summer, i think you'll be surprised on how well the engine sounds and performs overall.
i'm in your neck of the woods as well, and can confirm it runs excellent on a 30. not very surprising since its what toyota recommends in other hot climate foreign markets for this engine anyway.

how long did you run the Amsoil? that's a great oil, but pricey...i'd feel bad draining it at less thank 10k miles!
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i'm in your neck of the woods as well, and can confirm it runs excellent on a 30. not very surprising since its what toyota recommends in other hot climate foreign markets for this engine anyway.

how long did you run the Amsoil? that's a great oil, but pricey...i'd feel bad draining it at less thank 10k miles!
Dumped the factory fill at 2300 and filled up with Amsoil 0w20 and ran it for about 5k I honestly thought about running it longer because the oil still looked ok; it was dark but still had a hint of Carmel color to it. But I wanted to get the 30 weight in a try it out. I’m surprised how easy the 4.0 is on oil.
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OK guys, this is my Oil analysis on my rig and think it looks good compared to my other trucks. But I’ve never owned a Toyota and have nothing to compare it to. My 6.4 Hemi amd my 6.0 L96 both had copper in the 300+ ppm and iron in the mid 150’s ppm on a virgin engine so this report looks good to me but would like to hear from y’all. Any input on the wear numbers or other UOA’s that I can compare would be appreciated.
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I need to correct the Central America comment. Manual States Puerto Rico not Panama. I do apologize for my confusion.

Interesting enough the following oils are approved for Puerto Rico:

0w20
5w20
5w30
10w30
15w40

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The only reason we are left with 0w20 is because of environmental regulations (mpg) and the lack of confidence in owners being able to consider cold/hot climates. I would much rather run 5w30 since I’m in California but since I got the extended warranty I’ll stick to 0w20 so a clueless dealer doesn’t have a fit.
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Been using Castrol 0w20 full synthetic and OEM Filters for the last 30,000 kms. No issues.

However, I did send in an oil report to blackstone a few days ago on my last change. Will post it one I get their report.

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Any input on the wear numbers or other UOA’s that I can compare would be appreciated.
textbook for a new engine. generally speaking wear metals are not to be taken at face value if the engine's under 30k miles, only use the figures to establish a long term trend.

high copper and silicon are normally high at break in and will trend down over the next couple years' use. AL should come down slightly over time but its fine. FE's good, be aware iron tends to track proportionately with miles and is ideally between 1-2 PPM per 1000 miles in most engines but our 1GR's sometimes spit out 3, maybe due to the timing chain material. everything else is awesome, no bearing or ring material (lead/tin and chrome respectively). i don't pay too much attention to moly personally, there are different formulations (organic, trinuclear) so high moly doesn't guarantee less wear or vice versa. that said Amsoil uses a pretty decent amount and that's probably not a bad thing considering their repuation.

even without a TBN test i'd bet you could have done 8k with room to spare, viscosity and flashpoint are solid.

some other useful 5th gen UOA's for reference, specifically new engine wear characteristics:
500 mile TRD PRO factory fill (it shows forklift instead of vehicle and hours instead of miles)
2500 mile TRD PRO, same truck as above
5000 miles on factory fill in a 2014
10k mile 2012
1300 mile 2013
a good example of a long term trend and initial wear metals, from member Woz1976-MT
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This is a fantastic tool I found for calculating viscosity at ANY temperature. One thing I always hated about the oil data sheets is they only give you two cSt viscosity, one at 100C/212F and the other at 40C/104F. But that tells you absolutely nothing about your oil viscosity at 10, 20, or 32 degrees Fahrenheit or even -20 and everything in between. The standard oil data sheets don’t have the cold morning calculations, and now that I know our 4Runner have an oil cooler this will be a really good tool with helping explain a future post.

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textbook for a new engine. generally speaking wear metals are not to be taken at face value if the engine's under 30k miles, only use the figures to establish a long term trend.

high copper and silicon are normally high at break in and will trend down over the next couple years' use. AL should come down slightly over time but its fine. FE's good, be aware iron tends to track proportionately with miles and is ideally between 1-2 PPM per 1000 miles in most engines but our 1GR's sometimes spit out 3, maybe due to the timing chain material. everything else is awesome, no bearing or ring material (lead/tin and chrome respectively). i don't pay too much attention to moly personally, there are different formulations (organic, trinuclear) so high moly doesn't guarantee less wear or vice versa. that said Amsoil uses a pretty decent amount and that's probably not a bad thing considering their repuation.

even without a TBN test i'd bet you could have done 8k with room to spare, viscosity and flashpoint are solid.

some other useful 5th gen UOA's for reference, specifically new engine wear characteristics:
500 mile TRD PRO factory fill (it shows forklift instead of vehicle and hours instead of miles)
2500 mile TRD PRO, same truck as above
5000 miles on factory fill in a 2014
10k mile 2012
1300 mile 2013
a good example of a long term trend and initial wear metals, from member Woz1976-MT
Thank you Sir, I really appreciate you taking the time to put all that together for me. Cheers!
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Thank you Sir, I really appreciate you taking the time to put all that together for me. Cheers!
no problem...i've been in a similar situation as well being a new owner so i had a lot of these reports bookmarked, glad to share.
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