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I was forced to park in the grass.
I hope you used crawl control to make it out!
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I hope you used crawl control to make it out!
It's a lowly SR5 so it's not made for off-roading. I'm surprised nothing imploded.
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It's a lowly SR5 so it's not made for off-roading. I'm surprised nothing imploded.
Wow, you're lucky you even made it home to see your family ever again! That must have been a close call.
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No offence to OP but you sound like you are better off with a highlander or a RAV4,they are both better than the 4runner for daily commute and keep building your 3rd Gen so you can have fun without worrying about breaking anything.


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I agree w the above. There’s a potential problem w where u might go with the third gen, might end up having to trailer it to where ya wanna wheel.

If ya keep modifying the 3rd gen, keep it to where you can still drive it to trail head and not have to sell the fuel sipper for a truck.

I do wheel mine. On the East coast our trail rating is green (easy), Blue, Black, red. I do nothing more than the blues which are fun and challenging. I do get pin stripes n bash skid plates though. I also try to avoid dents. I do use it for work purposes.




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It's more the mod money/time that I'm worried about. I have double what I paid for my truck in parts alone, no labor costs because I did it all myself. Insurance won't cover any of that, so eventually I'll be looking into aftermarket insurance.
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yeah this is kind of my conundrum. Like I said in my first post, I have a 3rd gen, stock 5spd manual with factory e-locker. I've had it for about 2 years. It's awesome offroad, I pass built jeeps on difficult trails all the time. But I hate it for daily driving. I mean, I don't completely hate it. The sunroof and tailgate combo makes it a really nice sunny day mild drive around town cruiser. But I absolutely hate it on twisty roads and the interstate, which I do a lot. I've always been known amongst my family and friends as the road trip warrior, I've hopped in my car and driven for a month straight more times that I can count. 24 hour drives are common for me, etc. I hate driving this thing long distance so much that I've completely quit taking any road trips at all. I did one trip from Denver to SLC and two weeks later went from Denver to Jackson Hole, and since the misery of those, I've decided I'd rather stay at home.

I actually NEED a new car right now with the state my 3rd gen is in (or a few thousand and a week off of work to fix everything), so I started looking at 5th gens because offroad and Toyota reliability and dog and bike carrying and they look cool. But A: f*ck the price and B: all of the above about it sucking as a DD and highway driver. I'm kind of thinking maybe I should get a Rav4 or Subaru or maybe even a Lexus IS 350 and turn the 3rd gen into an offroad beast.
If you want to go with a single vehicle and want new … a 5th gen is pretty awesome. It checks so many boxes for me that I can easily get over any of the minor shortcomings.

If you can afford to have more than one vehicle, then that is the route I would take… I truly enjoy having a bit of variety in the garage. Keep the 3rd for the more serious off-road trips and get something that makes sense to you.

I have a 4th gen and I take it camping, I off-road with it, I’ll even drive it when I feel like driving it… but I don’t daily drive it or even road trip with it anymore unless it is going to see some significant off-road usage at or on the way to the destination. The more I mod it, the less I want it on pavement. I enjoy that I can work on it myself, at my leisure, without rushing or worrying about needing to put it back together before Monday morning.

I have other cars/trucks as well… none of them are that new or extravagant either, but they all serve their purpose and I use and enjoy each one differently.
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I agree w the above. There’s a potential problem w where u might go with the third gen, might end up having to trailer it to where ya wanna wheel.

If ya keep modifying the 3rd gen, keep it to where you can still drive it to trail head and not have to sell the fuel sipper for a truck.


yeah I thought of that. would be pretty dumb to build into a crawler, having bought a car that couldn't tow it. lol. oh well. I'm still torn. part of me wants a car that's really great on road like a Lexus IS 350 F Sport, since I commute so much, and part of me just wants the f*cking 4runner because 4runner and dog and skis and bicycle and offroading. wish they weren't so gd expensive.
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Just because you bought an IS 350 doesn’t mean you have to go balls-to-the-wall turning the 3rd gen into a trailer queen… but I could understand why you would want to.
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Just because you bought an IS 350 doesn’t mean you have to go balls-to-the-wall turning the 3rd gen into a trailer queen… but I could understand why you would want to.
TBH, for now, I'd probably just lift it and upgrade the suspension and put bigger tires on it. Maybe a supercharger. and fix all the dumb stuff that's wrong with it like the clutch system leak and the fact that it keeps killing spark plugs on cylinder 5.
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If you want to go with a single vehicle and want new … a 5th gen is pretty awesome. It checks so many boxes for me that I can easily get over any of the minor shortcomings.

If you can afford to have more than one vehicle, then that is the route I would take… I truly enjoy having a bit of variety in the garage. Keep the 3rd for the more serious off-road trips and get something that makes sense to you.

I have a 4th gen and I take it camping, I off-road with it, I’ll even drive it when I feel like driving it… but I don’t daily drive it or even road trip with it anymore unless it is going to see some significant off-road usage at or on the way to the destination. The more I mod it, the less I want it on pavement. I enjoy that I can work on it myself, at my leisure, without rushing or worrying about needing to put it back together before Monday morning.

I have other cars/trucks as well… none of them are that new or extravagant either, but they all serve their purpose and I use and enjoy each one differently.
I agree. I loved my 3rd Gen; a great vehicle and I took care of it so well. I would have kept it except for garaging it and the cost of insurance. But I needed a new vehicle for long distance traveling to take me another 250K+ miles. The 5th Gen with KDSS is so plush in comparison. If you can’t keep two vehicles sell the 3rd Gen, pass it on to another enthusiast. It’s good karma.
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Do you folks do real offroading in financed 5th gens?



I bought the most “off road unworthy “ trim of the 4runner and I still wheel.
To me,the 4runners are meant for adventures and all the 4runners are pretty much the same under these plastics. I’d get a highlander or RX350 if I never planned to leave the pavements.


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I have a friend with a Mclaren MP4. He drives it daily when the weather is nice. And sometimes when it isn't. He takes road trips in it and and it has some scuffs here and there. Paint is swirled in places from getting washed at a local hand car wash. People ask him if he is deranged, but he says he is just enjoying it the way a car needs to be enjoyed.

In other words, your 5th gen can be wheeled off the dealer lot. Stop being such a sissy. Paintless dent repair, ceramic coating, and paint protection film are all a real thing. 5th gen paint kind of sucks, so I'd recommend getting it wrapped anyway.
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Yes... I don't get the question? It's a personal preference... If you total it insurance probably won't cover it unless you drag it to the road and say you fell into a ditch... so will you be OK making a payment on a car you don't have?...

Honestly, I have had a Wrangler since 2007 - present. It's currently sitting 40's and I beat the shit out of it. I was the 1st 4 door that did most of the trails in the hammers... and then drove it home. I put it on its side a few times... but I've never been in a scenario where I even thought for a second I can total it with multiple rolls. I've always been able to get it back on it's tires and drive it out.

If you're not OK with body damage.. stay on easier trails. In most worst case scenarios you may get a few dings... chicks dig scars.

It seems like you're not a newbie to offroading. So you should already know how far to push it to avoid damage and turning it into a trailer queen.

The benefit of wheeling a new car VS a 10 year old one... it drives straight and doesn't rattle everywhere after a hard day wheeling once you hit the pavement. For those two reasons alone, I'll usually offroad a newer vehicle VS an old one.

***The other benefit... less shit breaks... so your not in your garage fixing your rig all day after wheeling.
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