I wish I had snow where I live now so I can test out my 4Runner....J/K. I hate the snow and cold of the Midwest. That's why I moved away from Minnesota, too freak-en cold. I do plan on taking it with the local guys on a snow run up in the mountains when it starts falling.

[QUOTE=BobsTrail;3381127] Yah.

I like to picture it as a sort shrinking circle.

You start out with a 100 percent circle which means 100 percent traction. Add a turn in and it shrinks to maybe 50 percent of its original size. Add brakes and it goes down to 25 percent. Once you get to 0, you lose traction. It's a balance that you must learn with experience for each particular vehicle and drive system. Inclement weather automatically decreases that circle to 75 percent, 50 percent, etc. You compensate by reducing speed and gaining some percentage of your circle back.

The type of surface I am most afraid of is black ice. To me that is automatically 0-1 percent. Not much you can do but hold on for dear life or if you're lucky enough to be able to have studded tires.

driving on the stock TRD ORP tires this week in all the snow and ice we've had in the Front Range has been really great. Extremely sure footed. But I'm coming from a 3rd gen with dead suspension and a ton of play in the steering.

literally the stock tires. car has 600 miles, I bought it 3 weeks ago, haven't done anything to it.

not sure what you mean by my issue doesn't count.

I just meant yours isnt winter driving related. Its something else entirely.

[QUOTE=CharlesNellis;3381140] Studded tires actually do sweet f**k all. People think they're spikes in the ground, but all they really do is add a layer of additional friction. That extra layer may increase your traction (I'm making up numbers here) 8%. So, if you're sliding on black ice, an additional 8% traction won't do anything.

I've slid through intersections going 30kmph with studded tires before. With black ice, short of tire chains, your best bet is to pray for a little bit of luck.

Had my 2020 now for about a month and noticed the tires are aired to 50psi even though the door jamb states something like 32psi . Is this normal from the factory? Seems very high.

I had a VW CC in 2010 that came with 50psi to save the tires from flat spotting. May be Toyota is starting to do this as well since so many 4Rs shake on test drives(in my experience- I have had three new ones).

As far as Winter driving, the Dunlop stock tires are worse than the Bridgestones. Been driving in snow for a long time in Minnesota, if there was one CRITICAL thing for winter driving, it is giving yourself extra stopping distance. 4Rs take longer to stop no matter what tires you use - sure winter tires will stop quicker relatively speaking.

I am not going to get snow tires because I hate the idea of swapping tires and wheels. I have TRD silver wheels with GY ultraterrains but have not yet driven in snow. These do have the 3Peak Snow Flake/mountain symbol. Traction B/Temperature B rating matches the stock ratings. I believe the temp. B rating also means the tire rubber is more pliable in the winter cold temps. so you don't feel every seam in the pavement. SLOWWWW DOWN and LEAVE extra DISTANCE for stopping, you should be fine.

I'm guessing this was done at the dealer, not at the factory. If you're running stock tires, stick to the doorjam's recommendations.

I drove both this storm and I feel that my 3rd Gen handles the snow and ice real well in fact better, mainly because of the geolander AT tires.The 5th gen is good but seems a little loose because of the stock tires but the 3rd Gen seems more entuned to the snow it's got a lot of practice in the last 2 decades.

Thanks. Will have to air them down. As 4Rman mentioned, it's probably done to keep from flat spotting as vehicles may sit on lots for awhile.

yeah that sounds like all tires and nothing to do with the different generations. My 3rd gen was a beast in snow with Blizzaks last year. but at the moment, the steering gear and various bushings are so bad that I don't think even blizzaks would help.

I'm in MN as well and agree with your advice on slowing down. It's amazing the amount of people that don't understand that concept. Probably why we have so many accidents at the 1st sight of snowfall.

I currently have the factory Dueler's but may switch them out depending on how they handle the 1st significant snow fall we get. I used to get dedicated snows but have gotten tired of switching back and forth and have gone with a good set of all-seasons on my last 3 vehicles.

Goodyear Duratracs, BFG KO2's, or Falken Wildpeak AT3W's seem to be the go-to for severe winter rated AT tires. Being that you live where there's plenty of winter weather, I'd recommend getting something that can handle itself in the snow and ice.

Your truck doesn’t need practice. It’s an inanimate object.