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Old 11-19-2019, 03:08 PM #76
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like I said, I have KDSS in mine, i'm not talking about non-kdss trucks. Compared to my 98, it very predictable, consistent, and safe cornering and braking performance. Is it a performance sedan? No, but with the KDSS it drives great and I trust it not to kill me. Unlike my 3rd gen, which I nearly rolled on the highway more than once.
Can you share how you were driving that almost caused you to roll your 3rd gen runner? All this talk about KDSS being a gold standard is
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Can you share how you were driving that almost caused you to roll your 3rd gen runner? All this talk about KDSS being a gold standard is
I have no idea what that emoji means in that context. and I definitely didn't say it was a gold standard across all cars for handling performance. I'm talking about *for me*. My previous experience is many years of very old trucks, lifted 4x4 vans, etc etc. When I need real performance handling, I ride a motorcycle.

as far as almost rolling my 4runner, I was driving on the interstate and someone cut me off and braked really hard. I had to slam on the brakes going 70 or so. truck dove hard to the front and to one side, and I thought I was going over. Similar situation on I-70 through the mountains. I was going maybe a bit fast, someone cut me off in the middle of a curve, had to slam on the brakes, truck dove to the outside of the curve.

but just driving that thing on twisty roads was scary enough. Terrific offroader, awful highway vehicle.
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I came from a 2010 F-150 Supercrew 4x4 with the 5.4L V8. The power to weight ratios between that and my 4Runner are pretty spot on, so I thought the 4Runner power was pretty good. I do miss the V8 when I'm going over the passes tho. And it sounded better too.
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I dunno, I have had 10+ 4.0L YJ's, XJ's and TJ's and I don't know the actual numbers but the Jeep 4.0 certainly feels like it has more torque low down in the powerband.

I am fine with the 4 runner power though. Hell, it's only in very rare instances that mine even sees full throttle. I have 1000 mile weeks in it all the time and no complaints here. The fact I can jump in it and take it on a 10 hour trip to Maine without a second thought is worth its weight in gold.


I think it’s more seat of the pants. If you look at the torque curve the Toyota motor makes more power. It might come down to the Cherokee is a lighter vehicle.
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like I said, I have KDSS in mine, i'm not talking about non-kdss trucks. Compared to my 98, it very predictable, consistent, and safe cornering and braking performance. Is it a performance sedan? No, but with the KDSS it drives great and I trust it not to kill me. Unlike my 3rd gen, which I nearly rolled on the highway more than once.
Ive said many a time that its a 4Runner, not a Ferrari. For me its the perfect all-rounder, especially when it comes to hauling surfboards and fishing gear. The supercharger was the icing on the cake. Now if only this thing had a better transmission.
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I went from a 68 F100 with the stock 240c/I, granny-low 4-speed to the 4runner.
Power is just fine.
If I was speed I have my old musclebike.

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I think it’s more seat of the pants. If you look at the torque curve the Toyota motor makes more power. It might come down to the Cherokee is a lighter vehicle.
Good thought, that's probably it. The weight difference.
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For those saying it's too slow get a pedal commander. If that's not good enough you bought the wrong vehicle flat out. If you planned on towing heavy you should have got a V8. If you like racing people in traffic you should have got a ranger raptor or a sports car. 1st gen's are dog shite slow, yet they crush trails. That's what 4runner do. Crush trails and get you home in comfort.

Remember what this vehicle what designed to do. Remember the vehicles heritage. Then and ask yourself if your opinion really makes any sense in that context. Because it really doesn't.
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In case the 5th gen is your only exposure to these SUV's (Notice how i didn't say drag car but said SUV? Crazy right?)
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I went from a 68 F100 with the stock 240c/I, granny-low 4-speed to the 4runner.
Power is just fine.
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Exactly!!! Some guys went to the wrong store in first place!


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I think it’s more seat of the pants. If you look at the torque curve the Toyota motor makes more power. It might come down to the Cherokee is a lighter vehicle.
I use to own a 4.0L 97 Grand Cherokee.

While the Toyota 4.0L makes higher peak numbers, they're over 4krpm. I'm almost positive that while the Jeep 4.0L makes less peak torque, that peak is at a lower rpm than the Toy.

My Jeep felt downright QUICK up until about 40mph, after that it was sluggish.

IMO the Toy just feels extremely weak in the 2k RPM range, where most of the normal driving is done.

My 2.5L 5cyl turbo in my '07 Volvo wagon beater makes it's torque peak of 236 ft/lbs at just under 2k rpm, exactly where it's needed. That car feels like a rocket in comparison the the 4R. I fawking LOVE the torque curve of that motor, it's like a diesel.
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Chevrolet Tahoe 2020

LS 4x4 5.3L V8
HP: 355
TQ: 383

0-60: 6.6 sec
1/4 mile: 15.2 @ 92


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SR5 4dr 4x4
HP: 270
TQ: 278

0-60: 7.3 sec,
1/4 mile: 15.5 @ 86

Keep in mind too that this is the smaller of the two V8's offered in the Tahoe, and it is still quite a bit faster than the only powertrain offered in the 4runner. I mean, 383lb ft is sluggish compared to your 4runner?

I rented a '18 Suburban with that motor last year in Utah. Not only was the thing a dream on the highway, it had plenty of get up and go through the mountains, AND got 20+ mpg the whole time. It had a ridiculous range, too. We drove from SLC to Moab, then around the Moab area for nearly a week before needing fuel.

I agree it was quiet and didn't sound like a V8, but then again it didn't sound like it was about to shoot a valve spring through the hood either. (I'm talkin' to you, 4.0l!)
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it's slower than most minivans so there's that. (yes it is a minivan as well, don't kid yourself)
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it's slower than most minivans so there's that. (yes it is a minivan as well, don't kid yourself)
They still make those things? Lol

Yeah my old Dodge caravan was probably a little faster than my 4R. Though it also went through three transmissions.

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