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Old 11-09-2019, 07:43 AM #1
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Picked up my new 2020 Off Road Premium this week (sorry, long insomnia brain-dump)

I was super excited to pick up my new 2020 Off Road Premium this week. My sales guy was able to snag one while it was on the boat so I was able to avoid all of the unnecessary (to me) stuff that Gulf States Toyota would have wanted to bolt onto it. The only options were the "Keep It Wild Savings" (which I will never understand why it is an "option), and the moonroof. No port- or dealer-installed options, other than the a great deal on black emblem overlays and the all-weather floormats from my friendly local parts guy (you know you are!).

I had also ordered some SCS Stealth 6 wheels (gunmetal) and had them mounted with Falken Wildpeak A/T3W's in LT265-70R17 (load range E) at my local Discount Tire. There's some slight rubbing, even with the stock tire size, due to the wider wheels and different offset & backspacing. Looks fantastic though, and I'll do the fender mod this weekend along with installing the RSG sliders I have sitting in my garage. Then I take it to my tint shop (Sunbusters in Austin, TX--I have used them for several vehicles over the years and highly recommend them).

I can't wait to see how this looks once all that is done. I'm pretty thrilled with how it looks at this point already, LOL. Then off to the Ouachita National Forest next Friday to get this thing dirty!

The only issue so far is that I need to take it back to Discount Tire as one of the TPMS sensors didn't survive being transferred to the new wheels. Not sure if the tech wasn't careful or what caused it to fail, but they're getting a new one from Toyota and will make it right (you'll certainly hear from me if they don't). It's just annoying that I have to go back next week to get it sorted out.

Also, would it have been possible to have them use flexible / rubber valve stems with the TPMS sensors? It's minor, but the silver metal valve stem (aluminum?) sticks out like a sore thumb to me against the darker wheels. Also, flexible ones seem less likely to get snapped off if I'm off-roading. I had them swap the chrome caps they'd put on for regular black ones, and that helps. Maybe I'll pick up some gunmetal colored touch-up paint (or nail polish) and just paint them, LOL. My daughter thinks I'm crazy and says nobody will notice.

My main vehicle for the last several years prior to this has been a 2012 Ford F150 FX4 SuperCrew. How would I compare the two? Well, as many have complained about, the 4Runner is a decade behind the rest of the world on several features. I miss the remote engine start, cooled/ventilated seats, and even auto on/off headlights that I had on the F150. I miss the incredible range that the 36 gallon fuel tank gave me. I really liked the display screen that showed the vehicle incline and body angles. I don't miss the rear wheel spin on wet pavement that the F150 had. The 4Runner just feels very "planted".

The stock suspension on the 4Runner is overly plush, with lots of body movement (roll with turns, nose dive on braking, etc). While I appreciate how it just soaks up potholes and such, I'll need to do something to address the boat-like handling. Lots of reading for me to do there so I can choose the right setup for what I do. Daily driver commuting into the city (Austin), weekend drives going to my favorite (and looking for new) barbecue joints, family roadtrips, and a few trips a year to somewhere like Big Bend or NM or Arkansas where I can get my truck dirty. I don't need 4WD often, but when I get away I like to get AWAY.

Anyway, if you're still reading this far, I owe the board a big thanks for all the information I got that helped me decide that this was the right vehicle for me, as well as being a great resource as I research how I plan to modify the vehicle to work best for me.

Thanks!
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Also, does anyone have a picture of a red 5th gen with this black hood-scoop decal/stamp installed? I haven't had the truck long enough to know if glare will be an issue, but think it would look fantastic. I also want to swap out the silver bumper valances, but may just tape them off and hit them with bedliner spray for now as I'll eventually add a front slimline winch bumper and a rear bumper with a spare tire mount. I'll eventually need that space where the spare is currently for an auxiliary fuel tank.
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The valve stems are permanently a part of the TPMS, so you can't swap the metal bits for a rubber one.You also should not use metal caps (not directed at you, but at others) as they will screw up the sensors.
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The valve stems are permanently a part of the TPMS, so you can't swap the metal bits for a rubber one.You also should not use metal caps (not directed at you, but at others) as they will screw up the sensors.
Really? Our QX56 came with metal caps that have the Infiniti logo on them. After 9 years and 135k miles, no issues yet.

Now watch, the wife will get a TPMS light today since I said that.
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You can get these for the TPMS sensors:

Amazon.com: Muzzys Set of 4 Nuts- Universal Black TPMS Sensor Air Valve Stem Mounting Nut Tire Pressure Monitoring System for Black Wheels and Rims: Automotive
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I have the black insert, but no decal. I've yet to experience the glare with the limited miles I've driven, but it all seem fine. Not sure if that helps at all.
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Congrats! My sales guy was able to snag the one I wanted while it was on the boat and close to the port...it's always nice to get the exact unit you want and walk out with a VIN. The sad part is that the primary dealer I was working with would not do that as they wanted to sell me the one on the lot (which had about 40 miles on it), but it's a big dealer and I know they sell lots of vehicles so they know what they're doing. At some point, I started to wonder if the local area if over saturated with Toyota dealers...

Anyway, regarding the TPMS, the ones on my last (2012) 4Runner were equipped with Aluminum caps, and one of the, seized to the aluminum stem. So I had to get a new sensor (that was on my 2012). As I recall, Discount Tire just installed the old standard plastic ones after that, as well as on my new 2020 ORP when I went in for new tires after I got it a couple of weeks ago.


Another funny thing was that one of my TMPS did not survive getting swapped from the old wheels to the new (TRD) wheels on my 2020. After a day of trying to reset it, I went back to Discount Tire. They could not diagnose the problem and apologetically asked if I could take the vehicle to the dealer with the understanding that DT would cover any costs. The dealer found that one of the sensors had failed. When I went back to DT (with a new sensor), the noted that the failed sensor was giving them a lot of trouble when they were trying to initialize them after the swap. I also noticed that the ID number on the failed sensor was "very different" from the ones on the other three (4E series vs. 3D series). After one more trip home (because I forgot the key for the wheel lock...) they swapped the sensor out, reimbursed me for the sensor and I was on my way. I have been buying tires from DT for almost 30 years and this has never happened, and they totally made things right.

Anyway, congrats on the new ride!
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Congrats on the 4R!! Looks good!!


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Thanks for that quick feedback on the initial feedback you’ve had since your switch from the F150. I’m shopping between the T4R, Subaru Outback and WRX. I know drastically different than your prior experience and 3 entirely different vehicles.

Anyways, regarding power it sounds like you’re comfortable with the switch. Have you felt any immediate need to consider a Sprint Booster or Pedal commander yet?
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Really? Our QX56 came with metal caps that have the Infiniti logo on them. After 9 years and 135k miles, no issues yet.

Now watch, the wife will get a TPMS light today since I said that.
In general, metal caps don't play well with TPMS. The valve stems are aluminum and the caps are stainless steel. The caps seize up and the valve stem breaks when you try to remove them. It is a very well known issue.

How do I know? I owned one of the first cars with TPMS - a 2005 Acura RL - that also came with metal caps. Acura ended up swapping a boatload of sensors after the TSB didn't work.

Accordingly, you might want to ditch the metal caps.
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Latest picture, with RSG sliders added

Installed the RSG sliders yesterday with the help of a buddy. Next is to adjust the front fenders as I am getting of rubbing at full lock. Stock tire size but the SCS wheels are 8.5" wide compared to 7" stock.
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Thanks for that quick feedback on the initial feedback you’ve had since your switch from the F150. I’m shopping between the T4R, Subaru Outback and WRX. I know drastically different than your prior experience and 3 entirely different vehicles.

Anyways, regarding power it sounds like you’re comfortable with the switch. Have you felt any immediate need to consider a Sprint Booster or Pedal commander yet?
Three very different vehicles! What are your criteria? I like the new Outback XTs.
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Texas Eagle, I did almost the exact same thing. Took my new '19 4Runner directly over to Discount Tire and had them install P Rated Falken Wildpeaks. Then added everything else - warn winch bumper, warn winch, tint, Eibach Pro Truck Lift, Light Bar, and Sliders.

I too thought the handling on the stock suspension was horrible. The Eibach Pro Truck Lift solved that - no more nosedive on braking and the vehicle is tight through the curves - body lean is gone as well. Plus it handles the weight of the winch and low pro Warn bumper.

Let me know if are coming up to Arkansas, Byrd's Off Road Park is surrounded by some awesome trails in the Ozark National Forest. Went on a couple last month.

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