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Originally Posted by lunchboxtheman
I bought a brand new 2018 ORP. I can’t leave it set for more than 48 hours else the battery is 100% dead. I had to replace my Stock Panasonic battery inside of two years. Usually people get 4-6 years out of them.
I have no electrical mods, never been in an accident, don’t abuse it, etc.
I haven’t tested for parasitic drain yet... recovering from surgery. I plan to this weekend. If I find anything I’ll post in this thread. Sounds like others have issues letting them sit for more than a few days too though.
I know this doesn’t answer any of your questions, but at least know you’re not alone
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Is your 4Runner still under the 3/36 factory warranty?
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11-22-2019, 03:10 PM
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First thing that came to my mind too. Back in the day I worked on some flood damaged cars. The problems from water getting into electrical connectors and then corroding them, always cropped up some time after the flooding occurred. Often years later.
I'd start looking for signs of flood damage: Rusted interior fasteners, corroded electrical connectors, etc.
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My first thought too, maybe its been in salt water. Thats the worst....
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11-22-2019, 03:36 PM
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Flood damaged maybe? That's a lot of issues.
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Originally Posted by 02SE
First thing that came to my mind too. Back in the day I worked on some flood damaged cars. The problems from water getting into electrical connectors and then corroding them, always cropped up some time after the flooding occurred. Often years later.
I'd start looking for signs of flood damage: Rusted interior fasteners, corroded electrical connectors, etc.
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Originally Posted by mteolus
Dealers get a lot of cars at the auction, so they may not know the history.
It's also possible the owner was having the same problems (probably because of his own effed up mods) so he traded it in just to get rid of it.
It's a 2012 so might have been bought in 2011. Hurricane Sandy hit in 2012.
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Originally Posted by Cadesun
I would eviscerate the dealer on social media unless they are helping you with at least some of this. Very slim chance they knew nothing about all these problems before they sold the vehicle to you.
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Yes this 4 runner was bought at a dealership Certified pre owned, One owner titled in NJ with a full service history, the PO bought and serviced this truck at that dealership.
When I took it to my local dealer with the problem and they called the dealer that I purchased it from to inquire about the problem the dealer I purchased from demanded that I bring the truck back to them and they wouldn't give the servicing dealer any info on the truck.
Talk about shady as ****! I even said something to the servicing dealer they were shady and he said he never had a dealer that wouldn't give them vehicle info.
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Sorry to hear about your troubles. Was this at a Toyota dealership or used car lot? Did you have a pre-purchase inspection done? I'm not mechanically or electrically inclined enough to deal with all those issues. I'd recommend having an independent Toyota mechanic inspect it. Maybe get in contact with Mainline Overland and see if they can either do that or know someone who can. They do a lot of builds but also do maintenance and service as well. If it ends up being too costly or too much of a headache then it sounds like you may have to dump it and take a loss on it. Although hopefully that is a last resort.
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I didn't want to sway anybody's idea of what might be wrong with this truck by mentioning flood in my initial post but to me all fingers point in that direction.
I have been around the wholesale end of the car business all of my adult life my friends own a large wholesale retail car business and I moonlighted for them many of year working on cars, I have pretty much seen it all especially living in Pa and him buying all over the NE USA. Mostly total shit rot boxes.
This truck lines up perfectly with hurricane Sandy. It was manufactured on 03/12 and the man that owned it had a shore house on Long Beach Island. How do I know this? He never cleared out his address book on the navigation or properly cleaned out the truck, Left business cards and all kinds of other stuff.
My in laws also had a beach house on LBI which took on three foot of water, they were on the south end of the island, this guys house was on the north end which didn't have nearly the flooding or damage. Weather the truck was there or not I will never know, but all It needed was water to the rockers to do permanent damage. And yes it would have taken a few years to catch up. Although I didn't need to be on the island either to be flood. I sold a Jeep back in 2012 to a guy in NJ who lived inland that the insurance Co. bought from his as flood. It wound up being sold by the insurance Co. at auction and wound up in N Philly abandoned. The City started sending me noticed of leins on my credit if I didn't come pick up my vehicle. Apparently it kicked back all the way to me and I had to contact the guy and get a copy of all the insurance paperwork to prove to the city that it wasn't mine. WTF.
I'm pretty sure I'm just going to dump this thing I could care less about fixing it. I don't want or need the aggravation of troubleshooting it. I'm going to take it to my friends shop, he has a guy the is an electrical genius with trouble shooting and see what he says. It's only going to get worse as time passes on.
I bought it well last year, only a few hundred over what they were wholesaling for at the time. I took it to another dealer a few weeks ago and he offered me what I paid for it last year. So I'm really only losing what I paid in taxes and out the door B.S. doc fees bla bla bla.
I will get back on here after the electrical guru looks at it and let everyone know what he comes up with.
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11-22-2019, 04:08 PM
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How do I know this? He never cleared out his address book on the navigation or properly cleaned out the truck, Left business cards and all kinds of other stuff.
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Sounds like the previous owner traded it in as fast as he could and couldn't get rid of it fast enough. Not even to clean his stuff out.
Shady.
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11-22-2019, 06:22 PM
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i didn’t read any of the comments but , cars/trucks from 12 and lower with electrical problems have been related to hurricane sandy from my experience here in the NE.
there’s no saving it if this is the case...
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11-22-2019, 07:02 PM
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Sounds like you worked at a dealership that likes to point fingers and do part swaps. Actual troubleshooting is a lost art.[...]
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Sounds like you've got it all figured out!
Do you know with any degree of certainty that it's not the aftermarket remote start system? The vehicle exhibits unusual electrical gremlins, and installing that remote start system probably entailed hacking and splicing into the wiring harness at various points. It's a likely culprit, surely not the only one, but a likely one for sure.
If you can't concede that, then your prejudiced hatred of dealerships is blinding your ability to reason and, well that's a problem we won't fix on the internet. How is removing a faulty remote start system "parts swapping", or "pointing fingers"? I was simply stating my factual experience that when a vehicle had a remote starter installed, and had electronics issues, poor installation of the remote starter was often the cause of the problem. Hence my recommendation to look at that as a likely and probable cause. But thanks for your virtuous advice.
That being said, and having read the rest of the thread, it's also very likely that the vehicle was flood damaged in which case, I'd concur with others that the best course of action is to trade it in and start fresh.
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11-22-2019, 09:55 PM
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Do you know with any degree of certainty that it's not the aftermarket remote start system?
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I do not know, thats why we need to troubleshoot and I also gave the OP readings I have taken myself. Reading can be taken to see what the draw is with remote start and then unplug it and see without the remote starter.
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If you can't concede that, then your prejudiced hatred of dealerships is blinding your ability to reason and, well that's a problem we won't fix on the internet. How is removing a faulty remote start system "parts swapping", or "pointing fingers"?
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Your recommendation of troubleshooting is to remove the remote start, without actually troubleshooting. How did you determine the remote start is faulty? That is pointing fingers.
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11-22-2019, 10:40 PM
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Houston or Dallas special?
Sounds like a flood damaged vehicle hastily fixed and shipped the hell out of Texas to resell.
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11-22-2019, 11:26 PM
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I bought a 12 4Runner limited last September from a local dealer and it’s been a bunch of problems so far.
It started with hard starts so I had replaced the battery before the weather got cold and would have an issue with a dead battery one cold day. Turns out that the battery really wasn’t the problem. Any time the weather is below 30° that battery won’t last more than three days, if it’s really cold one day tops.
Obviously a parasitic drain. I tested it at least three times and couldn’t find anything besides a huge draw of amperage on shutdown. Somewhere I have three pages of diagnostics that I did. Took it to the dealer they found nothing.
A few weeks later all the traction control lights are coming on at startup or while driving with the 4lo light flashing. It does this sporadically. I bought a new neutral safety switch or what ever they call them for the Toyota’s. I never replaced it because the problem went away.
Everything was fine all through the summer, last week we had our first cold snap low and behold dead battery again after sitting three days, and then on my way to work tonight I hit a bump in the road the same one I hit every day because it spans the whole highway and all the traction lights come on and start flashing and this time the tach stops working and the speedometer starts going haywire. A couple hundred yards down the road the speedo and tach come back to life and only two of the traction lights are left glistening away. Here is a video of the cluster going haywire. YouTube
I know the first question will be aftermarket parts.
Yes it does have an aftermarket radio but the parasitic drain was happening before the radio had to be changed out because it stopped functioning properly.
Another is remote start yes it has one but I have no idea if it’s factory installed or aftermarket.
One of the other problems I had was with both of the rear calipers freezing on me.
Another issue I noticed is large drops in the voltage when I apply the brakes. Sometimes it will drop almost down to the first hash mark
So what I’m hunting for is if anyone else has had any of these problems with a 5th gen?
Everytime I do a search for my issues it’s always the 4th and 3rd gen trucks.
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Ridgerunner... Sorry to hear about your 4 runner. Saw the Youtube.
You need a good mechanic with a top Creader to check out that runner's Codes.
If that dealer will take it off your hands and you lose only $200, that's great news IMO. He probably thinks he can get it running right.
2005 SR5 140,000 miles runner. Never had a check engine lite yet. Went through 4 starters over 15 years. OEM lasted 4 years. Had it rebuilt (the solenoids fail) and it lasted one year, and they offered to fix for free, but gave them a new AM starter and they installed it.
When the AM starter failed in 4 years I had my mechanic put in a Quality Built Starter with a lifetime warrantee. I paid $129 at Amazon for that starter, and bought a back up starter for $80 when it fails in another year.
I can't get more than 4 years out of 4runner starter.
Anyway. Good luck. Sound like it runs great from the Youtube.
Saw a 2005 Tundra Youtube today with 1 million miles and the tranny lasted to 700,000 miles.
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11-23-2019, 02:07 AM
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Sorry about all your problems. Any chance of you selling it or trading it in?
Get yourself a new 4 runner? LOL
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11-24-2019, 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ridgerunner19446
I bought a 12 4Runner limited last September from a local dealer and it’s been a bunch of problems so far.
It started with hard starts so I had replaced the battery before the weather got cold and would have an issue with a dead battery one cold day. Turns out that the battery really wasn’t the problem. Any time the weather is below 30° that battery won’t last more than three days, if it’s really cold one day tops.
Obviously a parasitic drain. I tested it at least three times and couldn’t find anything besides a huge draw of amperage on shutdown. Somewhere I have three pages of diagnostics that I did. Took it to the dealer they found nothing.
A few weeks later all the traction control lights are coming on at startup or while driving with the 4lo light flashing. It does this sporadically. I bought a new neutral safety switch or what ever they call them for the Toyota’s. I never replaced it because the problem went away.
Everything was fine all through the summer, last week we had our first cold snap low and behold dead battery again after sitting three days, and then on my way to work tonight I hit a bump in the road the same one I hit every day because it spans the whole highway and all the traction lights come on and start flashing and this time the tach stops working and the speedometer starts going haywire. A couple hundred yards down the road the speedo and tach come back to life and only two of the traction lights are left glistening away. Here is a video of the cluster going haywire. YouTube
I know the first question will be aftermarket parts.
Yes it does have an aftermarket radio but the parasitic drain was happening before the radio had to be changed out because it stopped functioning properly.
Another is remote start yes it has one but I have no idea if it’s factory installed or aftermarket.
One of the other problems I had was with both of the rear calipers freezing on me.
Another issue I noticed is large drops in the voltage when I apply the brakes. Sometimes it will drop almost down to the first hash mark
So what I’m hunting for is if anyone else has had any of these problems with a 5th gen?
Everytime I do a search for my issues it’s always the 4th and 3rd gen trucks.
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Flood car.
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11-24-2019, 01:22 PM
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If that dealer will take it off your hands and you lose only $200, that's great news IMO. He probably thinks he can get it running right.
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Looks like you can bailout of a lot of problems for only $200. Call that dealer and take the deal, save a lot of potential headaches.
Our 4Runners are mostly trouble free. My 7 year warranty expired last month unused.
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As others said, first thing that hit my my was water damage of some sorts.
An acquaintance just went through something similar with a car he bought, salvage title but he thought it would be fine, it was not, all sorts of electrical gremlins. After a year of headaches from this thing, the dealer agreed to take it back, no questions, hassle, nothing, so he off loaded that thing to them.
It was one of those "buy here, pay here" places, so the dealer held the loan or something, anyway, it was resolved with no damage to the credit, and only out the monthly payment and about $2000 in repair costs for the year he had it. Was a Chevy Cruz I think.
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11-24-2019, 02:12 PM
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This is why it's important to get all records and history on used cars. Most of the hurricane cars are bought out by insurance to the owner, so the owners aren't trading them in.
The insurance company is then sending all of these cars they just bought to auction, and a lot of time, out of state dealers will come buy them for pennies on the dollar, take them back to their home state and put them on the lot waiting to turn a 200% profit.
There are lots of jokes and stereotypes about used car dealers, but they exist because of lot of them fit the bill.
My buddy's family had one of these operations, go to auction and buy cosmetically good looking, late model cars for $8-10k, clean them up and routinely sell them off for $25-30k
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11-24-2019, 03:59 PM
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This is why it's important to get all records and history on used cars. Most of the hurricane cars are bought out by insurance to the owner, so the owners aren't trading them in.
The insurance company is then sending all of these cars they just bought to auction, and a lot of time, out of state dealers will come buy them for pennies on the dollar, take them back to their home state and put them on the lot waiting to turn a 200% profit.
There are lots of jokes and stereotypes about used car dealers, but they exist because of lot of them fit the bill.
My buddy's family had one of these operations, go to auction and buy cosmetically good looking, late model cars for $8-10k, clean them up and routinely sell them off for $25-30k
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Well like I mentioned earlier I've worked around this business for almost 20 years. All the precautions were taken, everything came up clean. One owner no accident vehicle, the dealer that originally sold the vehicle serviced it for the following 6 years with a service record at all recommended intervals. I purchased it at the dealer that originally sold the vehicle in 2012. You couldn't get a better vehicle history report. If the owner doesn't report damage there is no way of telling.
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