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Old 02-20-2020, 12:34 PM #151
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Wow this thread is not making me feel too good about my 2020 "reliable" TRD Pro.
Don’t sweat it.

It’s mainly a bunch of sissies crying about a noise that Toyota has deemed normal. They will preach about “derrr teryotuh manual says only dis oil. De toyerta enginuurs know besstt,” but then cry when the same engineers say this noise is WNL and has no ill effect.
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Don’t sweat it.

It’s mainly a bunch of sissies crying about a noise that Toyota has deemed normal. They will preach about “derrr teryotuh manual says only dis oil. De toyerta enginuurs know besstt,” but then cry when the same engineers say this noise is WNL and has no ill effect.
Or one or two borderline illiterates coming to the thread to troll a little bit...sound familiar?

I can't speak for others that have had this issue, but mine is not the "ticking" of an internal bypass shock. Maybe I'm a "sissy" who expects a brand new vehicle to sound better than a wooden ship while traversing the local mall parking lot. If so, shame on me for having such lofty expectations. Toyota has actually acknowledged it's an issue, but have no path forward and fail to accept responsibility. Fox seems to be on the same page, but that's because these aren't really Fox shocks. Toyota says it's an off-road suspension, take it to the dunes and enjoy it. Which is funny because that would easily void the new vehicle warranty. Kudos Toyota for trying to sidestep an issue.
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Don’t sweat it.

It’s mainly a bunch of sissies crying about a noise that Toyota has deemed normal. They will preach about “derrr teryotuh manual says only dis oil. De toyerta enginuurs know besstt,” but then cry when the same engineers say this noise is WNL and has no ill effect.
I won't sweat any issue until it happens to me.
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Don’t sweat it.

It’s mainly a bunch of sissies crying about a noise that Toyota has deemed normal. They will preach about “derrr teryotuh manual says only dis oil. De toyerta enginuurs know besstt,” but then cry when the same engineers say this noise is WNL and has no ill effect.
We need a troll blocker.
Again not all of us are having the issue they are “deeming normal”
As stated above and I do like his description as it’s very accurate, it shouldn’t sound like a wooden ship. And in my case you shouldn’t feel a thump against the floorboards hitting your foot. To make it better you should never have a Toyota customers service rep from the headquarters tell you that your warranty is no longer valid for your whole suspension because of it even if it’s another part. Specially when you have the extended warranty. Hence I will be going to talk to them next week about a refund on that since they will not honor it. And troll your an idiot if you think it’s impossible that people have issues with it other then what they deem normal

Also, temp is having little effect on mine as it is doing it even in the 50 plus range.
I actually have had strangers ask me what’s wrong with my truck when parking in public lots because they heard it walking by. Not the comments you want to hear getting out of a new truck

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Or one or two borderline illiterates coming to the thread to troll a little bit...sound familiar?

but that's because these aren't really Fox shocks. Toyota says it's an off-road suspension, take it to the dunes and enjoy it. Which is funny because that would easily void the new vehicle warranty. Kudos Toyota for trying to sidestep an issue.
What info do you have to back up these comments?
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We need a troll blocker.
Again not all of us are having the issue they are “deeming normal”
As stated above and I do like his description as it’s very accurate, it shouldn’t sound like a wooden ship. And in my case you shouldn’t feel a thump against the floorboards hitting your foot. To make it better you should never have a Toyota customers service rep from the headquarters tell you that your warranty is no longer valid for your whole suspension because of it even if it’s another part. Specially when you have the extended warranty. Hence I will be going to talk to them next week about a refund on that since they will not honor it. And troll your an idiot if you think it’s impossible that people have issues with it other then what they deem normal

Also, temp is having little effect on mine as it is doing it even in the 50 plus range.
I actually have had strangers ask me what’s wrong with my truck when parking in public lots because they heard it walking by. Not the comments you want to hear getting out of a new truck
Mine is also degrading over time. Primarily concentrated to the rear, but warmer temperatures and time to allow the shock body to "warm up" no longer alleviates the noise. I've actually started noticing it at higher speeds too. I was taking a few secluded roundabouts last weeks and as the weight shifted in the turns (~30mph) my rear suspension sounded really angry with its situation.

I'm not sure what South Dakota's law states, but here in Ohio I've eclipsed the Lemon Law threshold. Since during my last visit I was told directly that Toyota is done trying to fix the problem, I may be turning my truck in for a full refund. The only thing I'll be out is what I've spent on mods, unless I can find another '19 4R. Not interested in TSS on this platform. If I want that, I'll move back into a German vehicle.
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What info do you have to back up these comments?
WHAT IS NOT COVERED
This warranty does not cover damage or
failures resulting directly or indirectly from
any of the following:
• Fire, accidents or theft
• Abuse or negligence
• Misuse—for example, racing
or overloading

• Improper repairs
• Alteration or tampering, including
installation of non-Genuine
Toyota Accessories
• Lack of or improper maintenance,
including use of fluids and fuel
other than those specified in the
Owner’s Manual
• Installation of non-Genuine Toyota Parts
• Airborne chemicals, tree sap, road
debris (including stone chips), rail dust,
salt, hail, floods, wind storms, lightning
and other environmental conditions
• Water contamination

Going to an off-road park would be considered abuse. So Toyota telling me to take it and enjoy the TRD Pro suspension, opens the door for me to void the warranty did to misuse or abuse. A verbal recommendation never trumps a written obligation.

Edit: missed the first bold statement. Directly from the Toyota Master Tech, who is also an off-road enthusiast. These are not "actual" Fox shocks, they are re-branded.

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there are a number of features in your 4runner that are explicitly stated as for use in off-road conditions only both in the manual, and on the sun visor.
4LO, for example, is for off road use only. So is multi terrain select, so is crawl control, your differential locker, etc.

These are marketed as offroad vehicles with available functions that are only to be used offroad.

If there were a warranty issue, there's more than enough to hold their feet to the flames. Taking an offroad vehicle offroad does not constitute misuse or negligence. Racing or overloading are different altogether, and the burden of proof would be on them.
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there are a number of features in your 4runner that are explicitly stated as for use in off-road conditions only both in the manual, and on the sun visor.
4LO, for example, is for off road use only. So is multi terrain select, so is crawl control, your differential locker, etc.

These are marketed as offroad vehicles with available functions that are only to be used offroad.

If there were a warranty issue, there's more than enough to hold their feet to the flames. Taking an offroad vehicle offroad does not constitute misuse or negligence. Racing or overloading are different altogether, and the burden of proof would be on them.
100% agree in principle, but I also work in the automotive industry. Off-road can be interpreted very differently. Off-road can be as simple as any unpaved road surface with state/local maintenance, or it could be an ORP or literally forging your own path out in the woods.

For me, I'm not going to take my OEM-built off-road vehicle out to test capabilities until I figure out why it can't handle sub-standard surface roads. It's not worth the potential risk of being caught in a warranty loophole. Also, it just doesn't make sense to me to take an under-performing vehicle and place more undo stress on the very components that are in question. Based on my experience in the auto industry professionally and my personal experience with Toyota, I'm not willing to enter that fight.
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Mine is also degrading over time. Primarily concentrated to the rear, but warmer temperatures and time to allow the shock body to "warm up" no longer alleviates the noise. I've actually started noticing it at higher speeds too. I was taking a few secluded roundabouts last weeks and as the weight shifted in the turns (~30mph) my rear suspension sounded really angry with its situation.

I'm not sure what South Dakota's law states, but here in Ohio I've eclipsed the Lemon Law threshold. Since during my last visit I was told directly that Toyota is done trying to fix the problem, I may be turning my truck in for a full refund. The only thing I'll be out is what I've spent on mods, unless I can find another '19 4R. Not interested in TSS on this platform. If I want that, I'll move back into a German vehicle.

If I were you guys, I'd dump that suspension before lemon law-ing the 4Runner.

I'm really happy with my Eibach Pro Truck Lift Suspension (4 shocks 4 springs). It's quiet, it's comfortable, taut in the curves on road, nose dive is gone, body roll is gone. No clunks or weird noises on or off road. Has it's own million mile warranty.

I'm sure one of the other brands would be good to go as well - Dobinson, Kings, Icon, etc.
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WHAT IS NOT COVERED
This warranty does not cover damage or
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any of the following:
• Fire, accidents or theft
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or overloading

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other than those specified in the
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• Airborne chemicals, tree sap, road
debris (including stone chips), rail dust,
salt, hail, floods, wind storms, lightning
and other environmental conditions
• Water contamination

Going to an off-road park would be considered abuse. So Toyota telling me to take it and enjoy the TRD Pro suspension, opens the door for me to void the warranty did to misuse or abuse. A verbal recommendation never trumps a written obligation.

Edit: missed the first bold statement. Directly from the Toyota Master Tech, who is also an off-road enthusiast. These are not "actual" Fox shocks, they are re-branded.
I disagree. I've "four wheeled" in numerous vehicles, to include being heavily involved in the Jeep Jamboree functions, and someone can most certainly enjoy their vehicle off road with "abusing" it.

As far as the shocks go, what are they re-branded as?

This is straight from Toyota concerning the shocks:
When Toyota TRD engineers designed the 2019 TRD Pro models, their goal was to deliver the next generation of off-road dominance. That's where FOX comes in. For over four decades, FOX has been leading the way with suspension products for motorcycles, ATVs, UTVs, snowmobiles, cars, trucks and SUVs. FOX-equipped vehicles and racers have stood atop podiums in every sport they competed in, from the sands of Baja to the top of Pikes Peak.

FOX took their race-bred technology and created these bypass shocks so that the 2019 TRD Pro models have a cushioned, plush ride on the road that can handle the toughest terrain.

I find it highly unlikely that FOX would let Toyota use their name on a product with it being a re-branded item.
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If I were you guys, I'd dump that suspension before lemon law-ing the 4Runner.

I'm really happy with my Eibach Pro Truck Lift Suspension (4 shocks 4 springs). It's quiet, it's comfortable, taut in the curves on road, nose dive is gone, body roll is gone. No clunks or weird noises on or off road. Has it's own million mile warranty.

I'm sure one of the other brands would be good to go as well - Dobinson, Kings, Icon, etc.
But why not Lemon Law it and then replace with an OR or ORP, then purchase aftermarket suspension? The reason I went with the Pro is because I don't have the time to wrench on my vehicle like I used to. I came from heavily modified Audi's because as much fun as it is to constantly tinker with my cars, my priorities have changed. So I wanted something that suited my needs and aesthetics right off the dealer lot.
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Now that the weather is consistently in the 30's, I'm getting a clucking sound from the stock Fox Shocks on my 2019 TRD PRO. You can hear and even feel it under the floor boards when going over small bumps. It's not super loud per say, but you definitely know it is there.

Anyone else notice this on their 2019+ PROs?
Count me in, just took delivery of my 2020 Trd Pro 3 days ago, noticed the clunk on the next day, very disappointed, same conditions as everyone slow speed could feel it on the floor
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I find it highly unlikely that FOX would let Toyota use their name on a product with it being a re-branded item.
As the spring supplier for the program I can speak on this a bit. This is not a re-branded Fox shock. The TRD engineers come up with the tune and Fox builds them to the TRD spec. There is a TON of testing involved, too.

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My friend said. My friend said. 😂 Any actual evidence besides you and your bff4l playing telephone?
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