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"but the 4runner isnt meant to corner like a sports car"

True, but KDSS is a step in the right direction.
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It's a demented idea and will make you and your truck look ridiculous. Please post pics when done.
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Thanks for all the constructive criticism. I guess I need to set the back-drop. I used to commute, in NJ, switching between a 2017 Honda Ridgeline and a 2018 Nissan Titan XD so driving in a larger truck is no big deal.

The Ridgeline's lease was up so it was turned in. While commuting in my Titan XD I was rear-ended by a semi in stop and go traffic and the truck was totaled by the insurance company.

Mean-while early this summer I picked-up a 2019 4Runner Limited down in FL for use when my wife and I go down there a few months out of the year - my kids all go to school in Tampa so we visit often. We really like the 4Runner and she does a decent job of towing my boat.

This fall we decided to get another 4Runner Limited as my wife's daily driver in NJ, to replace her 2015 Ford Expedition. Down sizing as the last kid just started college.

So, back to my situation with my Titan XD totaled I needed to get a replacement commuter something.... Off to the Toyota dealership - I was sort of thinking about getting a car - test drove the TRD Camry - interesting vehicle... then the dealerships GM came over and told me they had one 2019 leftover 4Runner and he would give me a good deal on it.

They pulled the black TRD Off Road to the front of the showroom, I did a test drive - (confirmed what I had read about on this forum that the TRD has some nose dive), dealership offered me the TRD at $32k out the door including tax and tags - MSRP was $42k. So I did the deal.

As for the TRD as my commuter truck, I need to get some better highway manners out of the TRD for the type of driving that I am doing.

My goal was to reduce the sidewall flex that the factory tires have, get a little better acceleration and better braking. One of the easiest way's I know to do this is to reduce rotational mass and un-sprung weight. I will probably change out the shocks and struts/springs, as Anand recommends, when the spring rolls around to help with the nose dive.

I am "blacking-out" the TRD anyway so I figured I would go with the 17" black Toyota SEMA TRD wheels (only weighs 25lbs) and a lighter, stiffer and smaller diameter tire to drop un-sprung weight and control rotational mass. I was looking at XL tires like the Vredestein Quatrac 5 in 245/65/17 - a good load rating, 32lbs in weight, stiff sidewalls, 29.5" diameter. The new wheel & tire combination would be over 10lbs lighter on each corner - that's a solid improvement.

The Vredestein Quatrac 5's have very good reviews and only come in at $550 for the set, I figured not a lot of money to try this out - considering I was going to buy the TRD rims anyway.

Don't kill me in this thread - I am just thinking through some of this in real-time and trying to solve for my situation.

I'd go with a suspension upgrade instead. Seems like you're WAYYYY overthinking the situation.
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Thanks for all the constructive criticism. I guess I need to set the back-drop. I used to commute, in NJ, switching between a 2017 Honda Ridgeline and a 2018 Nissan Titan XD so driving in a larger truck is no big deal.

The Ridgeline's lease was up so it was turned in. While commuting in my Titan XD I was rear-ended by a semi in stop and go traffic and the truck was totaled by the insurance company.

Mean-while early this summer I picked-up a 2019 4Runner Limited down in FL for use when my wife and I go down there a few months out of the year - my kids all go to school in Tampa so we visit often. We really like the 4Runner and she does a decent job of towing my boat.

This fall we decided to get another 4Runner Limited as my wife's daily driver in NJ, to replace her 2015 Ford Expedition. Down sizing as the last kid just started college.

So, back to my situation with my Titan XD totaled I needed to get a replacement commuter something.... Off to the Toyota dealership - I was sort of thinking about getting a car - test drove the TRD Camry - interesting vehicle... then the dealerships GM came over and told me they had one 2019 leftover 4Runner and he would give me a good deal on it.

They pulled the black TRD Off Road to the front of the showroom, I did a test drive - (confirmed what I had read about on this forum that the TRD has some nose dive), dealership offered me the TRD at $32k out the door including tax and tags - MSRP was $42k. So I did the deal.

As for the TRD as my commuter truck, I need to get some better highway manners out of the TRD for the type of driving that I am doing.

My goal was to reduce the sidewall flex that the factory tires have, get a little better acceleration and better braking. One of the easiest way's I know to do this is to reduce rotational mass and un-sprung weight. I will probably change out the shocks and struts/springs, as Anand recommends, when the spring rolls around to help with the nose dive.

I am "blacking-out" the TRD anyway so I figured I would go with the 17" black Toyota SEMA TRD wheels (only weighs 25lbs) and a lighter, stiffer and smaller diameter tire to drop un-sprung weight and control rotational mass. I was looking at XL tires like the Vredestein Quatrac 5 in 245/65/17 - a good load rating, 32lbs in weight, stiff sidewalls, 29.5" diameter. The new wheel & tire combination would be over 10lbs lighter on each corner - that's a solid improvement.

The Vredestein Quatrac 5's have very good reviews and only come in at $550 for the set, I figured not a lot of money to try this out - considering I was going to buy the TRD rims anyway.

Don't kill me in this thread - I am just thinking through some of this in real-time and trying to solve for my situation.
To me, the simplest thing you want to accomplish can be done by driving down to FL with the OR and then driving back up with the Limited.

I think people over-complicate perceived problems when the solution is right in front of them.
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To me, the simplest thing you want to accomplish can be done by driving down to FL with the OR and then driving back up with the Limited.

I think people over-complicate perceived problems when the solution is right in front of them.
Your probably correct - but the wife doesn't want a black vehicle in the FL sun, plus the OR doesn't have leather or the third row... your probably saying and your right. I could have just gotten another Limited but with a ~$15k spread between the 2019 OR and 2020 Limited and my immediate need for a vehicle - well sometimes you just make a call and have to live with it.... as others have pointed out I will do the suspension upgrade first now. I figure at the price I purchased the OR for at putting $5k into it to get it where I want isn't so bad.
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Curb weight on these is somewhere around 4400-4800 lbs, 5lbs a corner even unsprung is likely not gonna make a noticeable difference. IMO if you want a peppier DD just go put a supercharger in with all the money you saved off MSRP.
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Back drop doesn't change my mind.

But in for pics.
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Itll throw off your speedo and effect your gearing. For a better sidewall move up to an 18 inch but ideally try for the same size as stock. You can then get extremely light weight wheels with the 18s.

I think what you are trying to do is a waste of time in wrong direction. But if you must..try the 18 route instead.
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lot of stop and go driving; exactly what handling issue do you have with the 4runner in such a commute?

Even if just at the speed limit, I fail to see how the 4runner does not handle well on any US road driving the speed limit.

Changing the tires as you suggested will not do anything.

You might try getting another type of car. That is not an insult at all, so please do not take it as such. I love my 4runner, but there are other cars I would love to have also, but totally a PITA if to be a daily driver.

My mom wanted a 4runner also, but I convinced her that the Highlander would be a much better fit, and she would be happier with it, and she loves her Highlander.
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My new wheels are ~5 pounds lighter than the factory ones they replaced. Absolutely zero change in fuel economy.
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Thanks for all the constructive criticism. I guess I need to set the back-drop. I used to commute, in NJ, switching between a 2017 Honda Ridgeline and a 2018 Nissan Titan XD so driving in a larger truck is no big deal.

The Ridgeline's lease was up so it was turned in. While commuting in my Titan XD I was rear-ended by a semi in stop and go traffic and the truck was totaled by the insurance company.

Mean-while early this summer I picked-up a 2019 4Runner Limited down in FL for use when my wife and I go down there a few months out of the year - my kids all go to school in Tampa so we visit often. We really like the 4Runner and she does a decent job of towing my boat.

This fall we decided to get another 4Runner Limited as my wife's daily driver in NJ, to replace her 2015 Ford Expedition. Down sizing as the last kid just started college.

So, back to my situation with my Titan XD totaled I needed to get a replacement commuter something.... Off to the Toyota dealership - I was sort of thinking about getting a car - test drove the TRD Camry - interesting vehicle... then the dealerships GM came over and told me they had one 2019 leftover 4Runner and he would give me a good deal on it.

They pulled the black TRD Off Road to the front of the showroom, I did a test drive - (confirmed what I had read about on this forum that the TRD has some nose dive), dealership offered me the TRD at $32k out the door including tax and tags - MSRP was $42k. So I did the deal.

As for the TRD as my commuter truck, I need to get some better highway manners out of the TRD for the type of driving that I am doing.

My goal was to reduce the sidewall flex that the factory tires have, get a little better acceleration and better braking. One of the easiest way's I know to do this is to reduce rotational mass and un-sprung weight. I will probably change out the shocks and struts/springs, as Anand recommends, when the spring rolls around to help with the nose dive.

I am "blacking-out" the TRD anyway so I figured I would go with the 17" black Toyota SEMA TRD wheels (only weighs 25lbs) and a lighter, stiffer and smaller diameter tire to drop un-sprung weight and control rotational mass. I was looking at XL tires like the Vredestein Quatrac 5 in 245/65/17 - a good load rating, 32lbs in weight, stiff sidewalls, 29.5" diameter. The new wheel & tire combination would be over 10lbs lighter on each corner - that's a solid improvement.

The Vredestein Quatrac 5's have very good reviews and only come in at $550 for the set, I figured not a lot of money to try this out - considering I was going to buy the TRD rims anyway. Another option is to go with a 265/65R17 tire like the Michelin Premier LTX at 33lbs and 30.3" in diameter, it's biggest draw back is price and low tread life, but I did have this tire on my Ridgeline and it's a very solid performing street truck tire.

Don't kill me in this thread - I am just thinking through some of this in real-time and trying to solve for my situation.
Dude, listen to what everybody is telling you. This is a bad idea. Just get a different car because all you'll end up with is a compromised 4Runner that will look dumb and it won't function the way it was intended.
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If anything, you'd want to go with a slightly skinnier, slightly taller and lighter tire to increase your mileage. A tire with a smaller diameter will increase your RPMs, because it (effectively) increases the gear ratio. Smaller tires are better for accelerating, bad for cruising.

Practically speaking, you could run a break-even calculation to see if it makes financial sense to buy different tires, mods, a commuter/beater car, or replace the 4Runner entirely.
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Go 245's and LOWER the Truck! Give it a 2'' drop and it will get MPG too. I have always expected to see a LowRider 'Runner.....maybe some Metalflake too.
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