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Old 12-13-2019, 02:41 PM #1
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King Lift Kit UCA and Springs Questions.

I am planning to get the King Lift Kit that bilsteinlifts.com has on their website, which comes with the Kings front/rear shocks with res, Toytec rear springs, Diff drop kit, Toytec 2'' Bump stop extend, and Total Chaos UCA.
Now my question is the Toytec springs good or should i get something like like Icon or OME? Also is the Total Chaos UCA a better choice or should I go with the Camburg?
If I change them out, I will have to buy them separately, which I wouldn't mind, since I can buy them piece by piece.
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would recommend icon ucas with delta joint to avoid uniball noise down the road then look into dobinsons for springs and durobumps for bump stops. not sure the dif drop is necessary.
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I have a King suspension with JBA upper control arms and I could not be happier. From what I remember you don't need a diff drop kit unless you plan on lifting 3"+. Even then i'm sure some still go without it.

I sourced a used pair of Icon 2" rear springs and have been really happy with them.
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I am planning to get the King Lift Kit that bilsteinlifts.com has on their website, which comes with the Kings front/rear shocks with res, Toytec rear springs, Diff drop kit, Toytec 2'' Bump stop extend, and Total Chaos UCA.
Now my question is the Toytec springs good or should i get something like like Icon or OME? Also is the Total Chaos UCA a better choice or should I go with the Camburg?
If I change them out, I will have to buy them separately, which I wouldn't mind, since I can buy them piece by piece.
I have Kings w/ Camburg ball joint UCA & Eibach Pro Truck 1" rear springs.

@Ryan at Eibach can help you make a decision.

This first pic is when I just installed it. I changed the height a week later.

I did not install a diff drop either but CV angles look close to stock with a 2-2.25" front lift over stock.








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Old 12-13-2019, 04:53 PM #5
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I am planning to get the King Lift Kit that bilsteinlifts.com has on their website, which comes with the Kings front/rear shocks with res, Toytec rear springs, Diff drop kit, Toytec 2'' Bump stop extend, and Total Chaos UCA.
Now my question is the Toytec springs good or should i get something like like Icon or OME? Also is the Total Chaos UCA a better choice or should I go with the Camburg?
If I change them out, I will have to buy them separately, which I wouldn't mind, since I can buy them piece by piece.
Toytec coils are made by Eibach IIRC. They are a reputable coil manufacturer so I wouldn't worry about that from a quality standpoint. I don't know who makes the coils for ICON or King. I generally prefer to buy any product from the original manufacturer as opposed to rebranded. Dobinson's, Eibach, OME are all solid brands with lots of choices for what you want.
I guess for me the bigger question would be do the coils suit your needs?
I don't think the diff drop is necessary. I pulled mine off 70,000 miles ago with no issues
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I have a 3" lift and no diff drop needed. Put this in a spray bottle and spray it on your CV boots to make them last longer.
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We make all the rear springs mentioned, so just choose which one offers the lift height you are looking for.
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I think my best bet right now is probably just to build the King lift kit instead of purchasing the one online.
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I have Kings w/ Camburg ball joint UCA & Eibach Pro Truck 1" rear springs.

@Ryan at Eibach can help you make a decision.

This first pic is when I just installed it. I changed the height a week later.

I did not install a diff drop either but CV angles look close to stock with a 2-2.25" front lift over stock.







I love the setup you have right there.
I am leading towards the camburg UCA or Icons right now.
I'm also debating on the adjusters or not. It's something nice to have when needed, but how do you your feels without having to adjust anything?
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Hard to say TBH. I have no complaints with my set up. Been hitting washboard trails in Barstow at 30-40 MPH.

The only thing that I'm planning to change is to go with Camburgs new Uniball UCA w/ top cap.

I originally went with the ball joint set up because I didn't think i'd be driving fast in the desert, but I have so i think the upgrade would be nice for me, but def not needed.

I purchased everything except the springs from Steven at Wheelers Off-Road.

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I love the setup you have right there.
I am leading towards the camburg UCA or Icons right now.
I'm also debating on the adjusters or not. It's something nice to have when needed, but how do you your feels without having to adjust anything?
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You Ďll be good with the total chaos arms. Unless you just want a different look.

I personally would go for a upper control arm with adjustable joints at the frame pivots. It allows for a lot of fine tuning. But also , you might end up mind fín the ability to adjust and then over adjust if you donít know what you are doing. I also donít know how I feel about the adjustable sleeves that icon uses that allows for adjustments while on truck.

I just put on some extended travel king shocks that i customer ordered thru king but I know how to build shocks.








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Hard to say TBH. I have no complaints with my set up. Been hitting washboard trails in Barstow at 30-40 MPH.

The only thing that I'm planning to change is to go with Camburgs new Uniball UCA w/ top cap.

I originally went with the ball joint set up because I didn't think i'd be driving fast in the desert, but I have so i think the upgrade would be nice for me, but def not needed.

I purchased everything except the springs from Steven at Wheelers Off-Road.
What is the main different between the new and old camburg UCA?
My shop is recommending me to use the camburg UCA over Total Chaos.
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What is the main different between the new and old camburg UCA?

My shop is recommending me to use the camburg UCA over Total Chaos.


I think the make 3 versions. 1 thatís tubed upper with a moog ball joint , 1 thats tubed upper with uni ball. Both of those having grease able bushing at the frame mounts and then they have a billet upper arm with heims at the frame and a uni ball at the spindle.


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What is the main different between the new and old camburg UCA?
My shop is recommending me to use the camburg UCA over Total Chaos.
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I think the make 3 versions. 1 thatís tubed upper with a moog ball joint , 1 thats tubed upper with uni ball. Both of those having grease able bushing at the frame mounts and then they have a billet upper arm with heims at the frame and a uni ball at the spindle.


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What @dom42 said is correct.

Your shop may be bias but TC makes great UCA too.
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Cry once and buy once on the Icon Delta joints UCAs.

Do not buy Camburgs. They barely have any extra caster built it. It's sad whenever someone installs Camburgs and then post their alignment measurements that show the caster is still in the 2 degree range.

Dirt King is another good alternative.

Total Chaos arms on nice and I have them on my Tacoma. However they are overpriced for basic uni-ball tubular UCA. You can uni-ball Icons for $100 less or Dirt Kings even less.
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