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Old 01-02-2020, 04:02 PM #31
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Just to throw another one in the mix...

I met the owners of Highland Expedition Outfitters (HEO Trailers), and I was really impressed with their all aluminum design T3.5 trailer. I am saving up for one right now.

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We have an Intech XLT flyer, although I think they have changed the name to the Chase flyer. We got ours when they first come out. I pulled it behind my tacoma for a few years. It's currently at the vinyl place about to get wrapped.

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Be extremely careful with any company with long lead times (more than 3 weeks) who is demanding deposits, down payments and other prepayments without an iron-clad refund policy stated in writing. There is a long thread on the Expedition Portal companies (Inka & Moby1) that essentially used deposits to build a few trailers then went "bankrupt" without any deposits being refunded.

You should be given a delivery date usually less than a month out.
They are upfront about delays and notify you if there are any.
Have them build the frame first with VIN then get title: get it insured for theft
They send pictures of progress and keep lines of communication open.
You get the product that you ordered

"$500 deposit to guarantee your place in line in the build sequence giving you an estimated beginning build time for the start of your build with a specific exit date that you can demand the return of your $500 deposit no questions asked if the builder has not started the build of your trailer as outlined below. A that point when the builder is ready to begin the build of your trailer pay no more than $1K or less additional deposit until the builder can provide to you pictures of your legal chassis, a VIN number attached, a copy of their issued MSO with VIN number stated (Manufacturer's Statement of Origin) for your chassis and a purchase contract signed by both parties purchase contract outlining your responsibilities as the buyer for payment/performance to the builder at specific points of completion during the build and the builders responsibilities to you concerning the trailer build specifications and delivery timeline for your completed trailer. "

"I recommend calling your credit card company and giving them the details. I did that with Amex before I put a deposit on a custom trailer in mid 2017, before the Inka and Moby disasters, to avoid those very scenarios. My builder even said they would charge extra to put it on a card, but when I said I was treating it as consumer protection insurance he saw the logic.

I was very clear with Amex, as in "So to be clear, if the company goes bust before I get my trailer, even if is several months after I place my deposit, the credit card will protect me?" They said yes, the time limit is from delivery or if I never get delivery, not from the date of payment. I'm glad I never needed to use it, but it gave me peace of mind. And yes, it was not more than I could afford to lose anyway."

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Moby1 Going Out Of Business? Has Anyone Received A Deposit Return? | Page 11 | Expedition Portal

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Hiker and Escapade have had my attention the most as of late. Saw Hiker has been posted, didn't see Escapade. This is something I could see myself "By the time you figure X nights in a hotel..." figuring.

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Here is mine, doubles carrying capacity and goes anywhere the truck will go. Best of all I snagged it for $350.
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Well, I had two offroad trailers. I can tell you they were terrible! The first one was old, and I thought it was time to throw it away and buy a new one. Well, I bought a new trailer. And you know what? It was even worse! It was impossible to drive it on normal roads. It was shaking from one side of the road to the other.
lots of factors.


i built mine in the backyard. shared the same track width as the toyota. had just the right amount of tongue weight, leaf springs were setup to accommodate the actual loaded weight (alot of trailers are way over sprung), and tire pressures were way reduced since the trailer weight was much lighter than the load rating on the tires (tires were 285/70-17's to match the toyota) even added cheapo shocks to the axle to help keep it planted on small bumps on the highway lol

small trailers can be squirrely because theyre so light and so short.
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Well, I had two offroad trailers. I can tell you they were terrible! The first one was old, and I thought it was time to throw it away and buy a new one. Well, I bought a new trailer. And you know what? It was even worse! It was impossible to drive it on normal roads. It was shaking from one side of the road to the other.
It sounds as if you made two bad decisions in a row. As mentioned by honda250 the right trailer can be easy to tow by a capable vehicle

Back in 2013 I took my trailer through the Maze District which offers fun challenges. Here is a trip report with pictures.

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I want a UK MOD surplus Penman Trailer. They can be had for 900gbp off their equivalent of GovPlanet.

There was a Rover speciality shop out of Maine (I think) that imported a handful and sold them for $3250 usd each. I missed out on buying 1. Seems like ideal trailer for 4Runner. Has a rear gate, stabilizers on all 4 corners when parked. Stainless tub. Around 1320lbs empty. Also has surge brakes built in.

It isn’t huge and unwieldy like the m1101A or older m101 3/4 tons.

The m416 or the Canadian version m101cdn would be great. But most are rust buckets asking for too much money.
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We love our Smittybilt Scout trailer, for the money it is hard to beat. We used it with a RTT for a while but really like our OZ tent. I have added a lot of bells and whistles that have made camping off the grid very comfortable. I usually get between 14-16 mpg while towing it depending on how hilly it is.
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We love our Smittybilt Scout trailer, for the money it is hard to beat. We used it with a RTT for a while but really like our OZ tent. I have added a lot of bells and whistles that have made camping off the grid very comfortable. I usually get between 14-16 mpg while towing it depending on how hilly it is.
these are great. also was the motivation for me to build my own. Expo portal has a huge thread dedicated to those trailers.
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I built mine out of an old US Army M101a2. It’s really useful for family camping trips and late season hunting trips. I have a 100mah onboard battery for power, and carry 2 20 lbs propane tanks for the grill and for the Mr Heater tent heater. I use a 10 person turbo tent, which I can setup by myself pretty easily. Makes for a comfortable camp. I paid $475 for the trailer about 10 years ago, from a government auction. It was in good shape only a small amount of surface rust in a few spots. Cleaned it up, prepped it and painted it with Rustoleum implement paint. Had a guy in Denver custom make the canvas for me. I made the bows for the canvas out of conduit. It pulls decent behind the 4Runner but it does suck the gas, especially going up mountain passes or I-70 west bound. Still worth it for family adventures though!







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I guess "MurrayYvvonne" was a 'bot and has left the forum?


Anyhow, I saw an older post in this thread that correctly questioned why we take a trailer out on difficult trails.

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I've been fascinated by off road trailers for years but can't quite wrap my head around trying to get in and out of tight trails with something tied to my ass end.
A good question with many answers. I'd agree there are trails where you can't even haul a trailer as well as trails you might make it through but it's unsafe to do so. Trailers present challenges and benefits and both can motivate the purchase of a trailer. For a lot of us trailers are a lot of fun and that tends to overcome the drawbacks.

I've had mine for over ten years and been lucky I guess. I'd like to think I was making good choices and intelligently avoided any rollovers or other bad situations. The capability of the driver, trailer and vehicle need to be well matched. I started out driving slowly on easier trails and learned what limitations I had to deal with. I also bring along a Tirfor style hand winch in case I have to get the trailer upright again. Self-rescue is always an option.

So as a counterpoint to the original question; Why do we take $40k+ shiny new 4Runners in and out of tight trails with a likelihood of damage and injury?

I think we all like a challenge and a trailer tied on the ass end of a 4Runner is just an extension of the offroading fun.
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I guess "MurrayYvvonne" was a 'bot and has left the forum?


Anyhow, I saw an older post in this thread that correctly questioned why we take a trailer out on difficult trails.



A good question with many answers. I'd agree there are trails where you can't even haul a trailer as well as trails you might make it through but it's unsafe to do so. Trailers present challenges and benefits and both can motivate the purchase of a trailer. For a lot of us trailers are a lot of fun and that tends to overcome the drawbacks.

I've had mine for over ten years and been lucky I guess. I'd like to think I was making good choices and intelligently avoided any rollovers or other bad situations. The capability of the driver, trailer and vehicle need to be well matched. I started out driving slowly on easier trails and learned what limitations I had to deal with. I also bring along a Tirfor style hand winch in case I have to get the trailer upright again. Self-rescue is always an option.

So as a counterpoint to the original question; Why do we take $40k+ shiny new 4Runners in and out of tight trails with a likelihood of damage and injury?

I think we all like a challenge and a trailer tied on the ass end of a 4Runner is just an extension of the offroading fun.
1) Yes, totally a bot. I usually smell these out, look for their prior posts that 99.9% of the time have spam links in them, and rat them out to the authorities. As a prior forum owner, I get irrationally triggered when these slime infest the place.

2) I buy toys to use them; I routinely take brand new cars, with temp tags on them even, to the race track and hammer on them. They're not any good to me collecting dust in the garage. Same with the 4Runner or anything else I've owned for offroad use. The trailers look like a ton of fun, and I've thought about them for years as a better way to carry a nice setup, extra gear etc. that doesn't necessarily fit well in the 4Runner when I have the dogs and girl loaded up for an adventure. The 4Runner is compromise from my previous Tundra in that regards, but it's way more agile in the tough stuff, so I like it better. That said, when all goes well I'm sure it's great, but I'm just nervous about what happens if things don't go well, and you have 1.5-2 tons of gear wagging the dog. Like I said, I get the concept, I just don't know that it fits with the wheeling that I do.
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