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I do not have a good solution for AR-15 storage in my T4R other than my hard sided pelican case. But then again, I don't carry one around for protection either. You guys must live in some f'ed up areas to be carrying an AR15 around "just in case."
I would NOT trust a rifle that had been dropped from a helicopter or sat on. After all your life could depend on it and it doesn't take much force to mess it up no matter how good your mounts are.
I think that for some, sighting in a weapon is a religious thing. (I know, Don't laugh) People spend hours and hours getting it just right. Even gentle bouncing around under the seat could knock it out of adjustment.
Also keep in mind it's not just the physical mounts that can fail, holographic sights (EOTech) and even optical scopes like Leupold, Bushnell or Vortex are pretty fragile. A dead battery and my Eotech is useless.
Storing it under the seat might work if properly protected on all sides, but how the hell would you get it out in a hurry if your life depended on it?
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While I can get where your coming from I would assume unless your beating the shit of your rifle you should not have any issues simply storing it. Optics certainly can be delicate but even still, a proper optic should be able to handle car rides. If it couldn't, would I really trust it with my life? A day at the range is harder on my rifle than basically all of my commutes.
The reality here is that the AR is a platform designed to take a beating a keep working. Optics are frequently removed and put back while maintaining zero (not all optic mounts will do this well). Not all optics require batteries to be useful. I own a vortex with an etched lens that can also be illuminated. BUIS are also fairly common.
In my opinion, it's a tool. When I'm out on the trail, my vehicle is a tool. Tools get banged up. A good tool don't mind.
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01-11-2020, 01:04 AM
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In my opinion, it's a tool. When I'm out on the trail, my vehicle is a tool. Tools get banged up. A good tool don't mind.
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I totally agree. I've beaten plenty of tools in my time.
I've also spent my share of time sighting in.
I guess I just respect some of the tools that my life might depend on more than others do.
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01-13-2020, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by nglayton
I do not have a good solution for AR-15 storage in my T4R other than my hard sided pelican case. But then again, I don't carry one around for protection either. You guys must live in some f'ed up areas to be carrying an AR15 around "just in case."
I would NOT trust a rifle that had been dropped from a helicopter or sat on. After all your life could depend on it and it doesn't take much force to mess it up no matter how good your mounts are.
I think that for some, sighting in a weapon is a religious thing. (I know, Don't laugh) People spend hours and hours getting it just right. Even gentle bouncing around under the seat could knock it out of adjustment.
Also keep in mind it's not just the physical mounts that can fail, holographic sights (EOTech) and even optical scopes like Leupold, Bushnell or Vortex are pretty fragile. A dead battery and my Eotech is useless.
Storing it under the seat might work if properly protected on all sides, but how the hell would you get it out in a hurry if your life depended on it?
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My comments jokingly had more to do with this marketing video than anything else…
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I get your comments on sighting. Optics, mounting, and sighting is actually one area I have a lot of experience with… I have experienced junk mounts to really nice pieces of kit from Larue, Seekins, Bobro, TPS, and others… an Aimpoint with a good mounting solution would take far more abuse than most all of us would be comfortable with.
Just the forces from recoil can be pretty significant, more than what it would experience in regular handling. I have tested many sighting and mounting solutions, the system is only as good as its weakest link, but a good system is quite capable in terms of holding and maintaining its zero, even in the course of removal and reinstallation.
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01-13-2020, 03:37 PM
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The best part about getting pulled over is that you do not have to explain anything to law enforcement. The ATF is the only one who can request to see your private tax information.
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Absolutely horrible advice. If LE tosses your vehicle for some other reason and finds an SBR, you can bet your ass it's getting locked up into evidence for the better part of a year while you head to court to prove legality.
There's at least one guy I knew with this exact problem who was transporting PARTS and not even a complete rifle.
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01-13-2020, 05:15 PM
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Home Depot has a Husky 40.8" Black Aluminum Chest Tool Box that will fit in the back of the 4Runner. Looks like it might be made by Weather Guard.
You can move it around or take it out as the situation calls for. Chain it to any of the various loops or d-rings.
I've been considering one for anything valuable as we have a lot of smash and grabs around here.
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01-13-2020, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by nglayton
I do not have a good solution for AR-15 storage in my T4R other than my hard sided pelican case. But then again, I don't carry one around for protection either. You guys must live in some f'ed up areas to be carrying an AR15 around "just in case."
I would NOT trust a rifle that had been dropped from a helicopter or sat on. After all your life could depend on it and it doesn't take much force to mess it up no matter how good your mounts are.
I think that for some, sighting in a weapon is a religious thing. (I know, Don't laugh) People spend hours and hours getting it just right. Even gentle bouncing around under the seat could knock it out of adjustment.
Also keep in mind it's not just the physical mounts that can fail, holographic sights (EOTech) and even optical scopes like Leupold, Bushnell or Vortex are pretty fragile. A dead battery and my Eotech is useless.
Storing it under the seat might work if properly protected on all sides, but how the hell would you get it out in a hurry if your life depended on it?
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its better to have it and not need it, than not have it and need it. its just a tool, much like a winch. its nice to have tools around.
no one here is dropping their firearms from a helicopter and thats certainly not in the same league as 'sitting on it'. i shoot from a barricade pretty frequently and the forces the rifle sees are far higher than physically sitting on it (mostly the optic/mount and the handguard). if you buy quality parts you dont have to worry about stuff like this.
im not sure why you would spend 'hours' sighting in a rifle. you can sight in a rifle in about 5 minutes if you know what you are doing. once you switch to another load, you are going to need to resight it anyways. for some reason, some people tend to make sighting a rifle in a huge deal. it really isnt; they even make targets that tell you which way to move your windage and elevation. id much rather sight in a rifle than try to do a pistol out in the field (thank god those are set and forget).
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Absolutely horrible advice. If LE tosses your vehicle for some other reason and finds an SBR, you can bet your ass it's getting locked up into evidence for the better part of a year while you head to court to prove legality.
There's at least one guy I knew with this exact problem who was transporting PARTS and not even a complete rifle.
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we were talking about ar pistols, but regardless, it is still terrible advise.
the guy you mention likely fell victim to what is called 'constructive possession'. if mr law felt the 'parts' he had in his possession could be used to potentially make an illegally configured rifle, they are going to take them from you.
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04-11-2020, 11:19 PM
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06-29-2020, 08:19 PM
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firearm transport in suv
i do believe that for just going to the range, or a shoot somewhere, out of sight, out of mind. dark windows tells me, someone dont want me to see whats inside. i believe a false bottom in the cargo area is the best way to go. properly done, even when you open the hatch, if the carpet goes down over the back, very inconspicuous. a few non value items laying on top, nothing here to see. it only has to be 3" deep, and with proper ribbing, nothing gets crushed. and custom fit for whatever your hiding. you do have to make it nice, with actual auto carpet, and make a nice fit.
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06-29-2020, 08:32 PM
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Hey guys, does anyone know where I can buy some ar 15 ammo ?
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If you’ve waited until now to start buying ammo good luck. That goes for any ammo not just 223/556.
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06-29-2020, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by nglayton
I do not have a good solution for AR-15 storage in my T4R other than my hard sided pelican case. But then again, I don't carry one around for protection either. You guys must live in some f'ed up areas to be carrying an AR15 around "just in case."
I would NOT trust a rifle that had been dropped from a helicopter or sat on. After all your life could depend on it and it doesn't take much force to mess it up no matter how good your mounts are.
I think that for some, sighting in a weapon is a religious thing. (I know, Don't laugh) People spend hours and hours getting it just right. Even gentle bouncing around under the seat could knock it out of adjustment.
Also keep in mind it's not just the physical mounts that can fail, holographic sights (EOTech) and even optical scopes like Leupold, Bushnell or Vortex are pretty fragile. A dead battery and my Eotech is useless.
Storing it under the seat might work if properly protected on all sides, but how the hell would you get it out in a hurry if your life depended on it?
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Buy right, cry once. Don't buy cheap shit if you or yours depend on it. I never jumped out of helicopters or even stayed in a Holiday Inn.... But, I banged an AR around for years in an out of a patrol car to personal vehicle every day. My sight was always spot on. Eotechs are actually one of the toughest sights out there. you can have a smashed broken whatever effect to the lens and if there's enough glass to support the reticle your spot on. Keyboard commandos make me laugh.
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06-29-2020, 11:33 PM
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Under the Slider in my old 4Runner:
Now I use a bag that does not look like anything of value and has easy access.
Get a cheap folding chair for $10 at Walmart. Throw chair out. Put your AR15 Pistol in it with a few mags and toss it on the back floor. No one is going to look twice at it. You never want to put your weapon in anything that looks like it could have value and be easily be pawned - that will equal broken window and stolen goods.
Hide in plain sight!
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06-29-2020, 11:42 PM
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If you plan to leave it unattended, figure out a way to lock it. At least cable lock it to the seat track or something. You can lock just the lower recover if that's all the space you get.
You don't want to be "that guy" that gets your AR stolen. Very bad press and some states you are liable for an unlocked firearm.
BTW T4Rs are easy to break into. There is no factory glass breakage sensor either.
There are racks that attach to the ceiling. Not sure if the locks or how secure it is.
interior rifle rack mount - Toyota 4Runner Forum - Largest 4Runner Forum
Then there is the bed vault. Nice but takes up space.
You could fold down the seat and hide it on the floor.
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06-29-2020, 11:44 PM
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Hey guys, does anyone know where I can buy some ar 15 ammo ?
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Really in England? I imagine you're SOL.
Otherwise try ammoseek.com.
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06-29-2020, 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by el_kab0ng
Absolutely horrible advice. If LE tosses your vehicle for some other reason and finds an SBR, you can bet your ass it's getting locked up into evidence for the better part of a year while you head to court to prove legality.
There's at least one guy I knew with this exact problem who was transporting PARTS and not even a complete rifle.
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Agreed. It changes by state, county and city too. Cali is a whole different world. There are cities that confiscate any firearm on sight. They tell you to file a complaint. No one spends $10k to get a $500 Glock back.
The reality is that if LE stops you, in any state, you are being detained and they can ask you what ever they want. If you get mouthy the can put you in the back of the car and search your stuff because you were "acting suspicious". They tell you if you don't like it, sort it out in court later. Happens all the time, check the NRA lawsuits.
Good luck and be safe.
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10-26-2020, 09:34 PM
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Great Thread.
I wear an EDC Pistol in .380 inside the waistband with 7 rounds, alternating Underwood +P JHP & +P Penetrator rounds. I also EDC pepper spray & a compact fixed blade. Im happy with my close-quarters preparedness.
That said, Im considering supplemental Truck-mounted carbine-length blasters or take-down rifles that are 50 state legal, and enable reasonable defensive capability out to extended urban distances or wilderness/camping scenarios should I be in an area where a handgun is prohibited or insufficient.
I have a 16" AR that serves 51% "Recce Rifle" & 49% plinking duty... This is not suitable for the cabin of my 4th Gen, nor is it 50 state compliant.
My first consideration was a standard 18.5" 12 gauge with slugs. 50-75 yards of range *reliably* real world? Maybe? Quick deployment if mounted in scabbard behind passenger seat... But rounds-limited, large, prevents rear seats from folding down.
A short bolt action ranch rifle? Plenty of range. .556, .308, .300 Black etc.. Cali & British Columbia compliant, very slow ROF even if I train hard & learn to run the bolt... But better than nothing?
As for vehicle placement: My first choice is zipped into a scabbard mounted to rear of the passenger seat muzzle down, cable locked to seat mounts. Second choice would be cable locked to headboard rack above or behind rear seats, zipped into a bag. (my rear windows have dark tint).
Any suggestions? Opinions? Critisisms?
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