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Old 01-11-2020, 12:30 AM #61
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I do not have a good solution for AR-15 storage in my T4R other than my hard sided pelican case. But then again, I don't carry one around for protection either. You guys must live in some f'ed up areas to be carrying an AR15 around "just in case."

I would NOT trust a rifle that had been dropped from a helicopter or sat on. After all your life could depend on it and it doesn't take much force to mess it up no matter how good your mounts are.

I think that for some, sighting in a weapon is a religious thing. (I know, Don't laugh) People spend hours and hours getting it just right. Even gentle bouncing around under the seat could knock it out of adjustment.

Also keep in mind it's not just the physical mounts that can fail, holographic sights (EOTech) and even optical scopes like Leupold, Bushnell or Vortex are pretty fragile. A dead battery and my Eotech is useless.

Storing it under the seat might work if properly protected on all sides, but how the hell would you get it out in a hurry if your life depended on it?
While I can get where your coming from I would assume unless your beating the shit of your rifle you should not have any issues simply storing it. Optics certainly can be delicate but even still, a proper optic should be able to handle car rides. If it couldn't, would I really trust it with my life? A day at the range is harder on my rifle than basically all of my commutes.

The reality here is that the AR is a platform designed to take a beating a keep working. Optics are frequently removed and put back while maintaining zero (not all optic mounts will do this well). Not all optics require batteries to be useful. I own a vortex with an etched lens that can also be illuminated. BUIS are also fairly common.

In my opinion, it's a tool. When I'm out on the trail, my vehicle is a tool. Tools get banged up. A good tool don't mind.
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In my opinion, it's a tool. When I'm out on the trail, my vehicle is a tool. Tools get banged up. A good tool don't mind.
I totally agree. I've beaten plenty of tools in my time.

I've also spent my share of time sighting in.

I guess I just respect some of the tools that my life might depend on more than others do.
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I do not have a good solution for AR-15 storage in my T4R other than my hard sided pelican case. But then again, I don't carry one around for protection either. You guys must live in some f'ed up areas to be carrying an AR15 around "just in case."

I would NOT trust a rifle that had been dropped from a helicopter or sat on. After all your life could depend on it and it doesn't take much force to mess it up no matter how good your mounts are.

I think that for some, sighting in a weapon is a religious thing. (I know, Don't laugh) People spend hours and hours getting it just right. Even gentle bouncing around under the seat could knock it out of adjustment.

Also keep in mind it's not just the physical mounts that can fail, holographic sights (EOTech) and even optical scopes like Leupold, Bushnell or Vortex are pretty fragile. A dead battery and my Eotech is useless.

Storing it under the seat might work if properly protected on all sides, but how the hell would you get it out in a hurry if your life depended on it?
My comments jokingly had more to do with this marketing video than anything else…

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I get your comments on sighting. Optics, mounting, and sighting is actually one area I have a lot of experience with… I have experienced junk mounts to really nice pieces of kit from Larue, Seekins, Bobro, TPS, and others… an Aimpoint with a good mounting solution would take far more abuse than most all of us would be comfortable with.

Just the forces from recoil can be pretty significant, more than what it would experience in regular handling. I have tested many sighting and mounting solutions, the system is only as good as its weakest link, but a good system is quite capable in terms of holding and maintaining its zero, even in the course of removal and reinstallation.
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Absolutely horrible advice. If LE tosses your vehicle for some other reason and finds an SBR, you can bet your ass it's getting locked up into evidence for the better part of a year while you head to court to prove legality.

There's at least one guy I knew with this exact problem who was transporting PARTS and not even a complete rifle.
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Home Depot has a Husky 40.8" Black Aluminum Chest Tool Box that will fit in the back of the 4Runner. Looks like it might be made by Weather Guard.

You can move it around or take it out as the situation calls for. Chain it to any of the various loops or d-rings.

I've been considering one for anything valuable as we have a lot of smash and grabs around here.
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I do not have a good solution for AR-15 storage in my T4R other than my hard sided pelican case. But then again, I don't carry one around for protection either. You guys must live in some f'ed up areas to be carrying an AR15 around "just in case."

I would NOT trust a rifle that had been dropped from a helicopter or sat on. After all your life could depend on it and it doesn't take much force to mess it up no matter how good your mounts are.

I think that for some, sighting in a weapon is a religious thing. (I know, Don't laugh) People spend hours and hours getting it just right. Even gentle bouncing around under the seat could knock it out of adjustment.

Also keep in mind it's not just the physical mounts that can fail, holographic sights (EOTech) and even optical scopes like Leupold, Bushnell or Vortex are pretty fragile. A dead battery and my Eotech is useless.

Storing it under the seat might work if properly protected on all sides, but how the hell would you get it out in a hurry if your life depended on it?
its better to have it and not need it, than not have it and need it. its just a tool, much like a winch. its nice to have tools around.

no one here is dropping their firearms from a helicopter and thats certainly not in the same league as 'sitting on it'. i shoot from a barricade pretty frequently and the forces the rifle sees are far higher than physically sitting on it (mostly the optic/mount and the handguard). if you buy quality parts you dont have to worry about stuff like this.

im not sure why you would spend 'hours' sighting in a rifle. you can sight in a rifle in about 5 minutes if you know what you are doing. once you switch to another load, you are going to need to resight it anyways. for some reason, some people tend to make sighting a rifle in a huge deal. it really isnt; they even make targets that tell you which way to move your windage and elevation. id much rather sight in a rifle than try to do a pistol out in the field (thank god those are set and forget).

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Absolutely horrible advice. If LE tosses your vehicle for some other reason and finds an SBR, you can bet your ass it's getting locked up into evidence for the better part of a year while you head to court to prove legality.

There's at least one guy I knew with this exact problem who was transporting PARTS and not even a complete rifle.
we were talking about ar pistols, but regardless, it is still terrible advise.

the guy you mention likely fell victim to what is called 'constructive possession'. if mr law felt the 'parts' he had in his possession could be used to potentially make an illegally configured rifle, they are going to take them from you.
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