User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 01-13-2020, 09:34 PM #31
cb1111's Avatar
cb1111 cb1111 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Washington DC
Posts: 932
cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold
cb1111 cb1111 is offline
Member
cb1111's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Washington DC
Posts: 932
cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold
Quote:
Originally Posted by CMTAZ View Post
I have an SR5, with a recently installed Eibach Pro Truck Kit. Before the kit was installed the ride was comfortable, a little mushy in the turns. After the kit the ride is comfortable and a little "tighter or more planted on the road". Personally i LOVE the new feel to the T4R.

one of the reasons people buy the T4R is because they are fairly easy (albeit not cheap) to mod.

that said, think of it this way: (this is an oversimplification)
if your driving cross country and you'd like to do it with the ride of an impala - the JGC is the choice (super plush and comfy). If you'd rather do the drive in a RAM / F150, the T4R is a great place to start (knowing the tires and suspension are some of the first mods made to these vehicles).
Not looking for an Impala ride, but I certainly don't want a Wrangler ride.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mteolus View Post
Don't buy a JGC new, it will lose about 10 grand driving it off the lot. Reliability has been horrible. Sometimes people get lucky, I guess the ones that are lucky are the ones that were built by Chrysler employees who don't smoke pot at lunch.

It drives much more comfortably than a 4Runner, but it has 4wheel independent suspension and is not body on frame. Of course it drives better and of course it gets better gas mileage. But it won't match the 4Runner in off-road prowess. I bought my 4Runner to go off road.
True, but if you buy a used one it might break on the way out of the lot....

Anybody spent lots of time in a GX? I've driven a Prado for a week and it was perfectly fine - even on pockmarked roads outside of Mosul.

If the 4R drives/rides even close to a GX/Prado, then I think I'd be happy.
__________________
When in trouble - obfuscate
cb1111 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 01-14-2020, 08:31 PM #32
Moose23 Moose23 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: ETX
Posts: 5
Moose23 is on a distinguished road
Moose23 Moose23 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: ETX
Posts: 5
Moose23 is on a distinguished road
I had a 16 WK2 Summit 4x4 with the hemi V-8, trader my JKU Rubicon for it and regretted every day of the Grand Cherokee. GC rides like you’re in a recliner, steering was responsive, road noise was nonexistent on my Summit trim. My hatred stemmed from how NOT fun it was to drive. It was just a SUV in a sea of lookalike SUVs and midsized crossovers. It was really lacking that stand out factor. Then my transmission started skipping gears at under 2 years of ownership. Swapped the GC for a Gt350 and am currently waiting on my Toyota dealer to get my 20 black TRD Pro in.

I’ve regretted getting rid of 2 vehicles in my driving life- my 3rd gen 4Runner Limited and my Rubicon. Doubt I’ll miss the GT350 much in the long run as well.
Moose23 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 01-14-2020, 10:35 PM #33
cb1111's Avatar
cb1111 cb1111 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Washington DC
Posts: 932
cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold
cb1111 cb1111 is offline
Member
cb1111's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Washington DC
Posts: 932
cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moose23 View Post
I had a 16 WK2 Summit 4x4 with the hemi V-8, trader my JKU Rubicon for it and regretted every day of the Grand Cherokee. GC rides like you’re in a recliner, steering was responsive, road noise was nonexistent on my Summit trim. My hatred stemmed from how NOT fun it was to drive. It was just a SUV in a sea of lookalike SUVs and midsized crossovers. It was really lacking that stand out factor. Then my transmission started skipping gears at under 2 years of ownership. Swapped the GC for a Gt350 and am currently waiting on my Toyota dealer to get my 20 black TRD Pro in.

I’ve regretted getting rid of 2 vehicles in my driving life- my 3rd gen 4Runner Limited and my Rubicon. Doubt I’ll miss the GT350 much in the long run as well.
Thanks for the review. The ride and road noise portion sound good - the numbness and tranny issues sound miserable.

I regret selling many cars, primarily my 56 300 Adenauer, my 600 and 300 SEL 6.3 - If I'd have kept those, then I could retire now.
__________________
When in trouble - obfuscate
cb1111 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 01-14-2020, 10:36 PM #34
cb1111's Avatar
cb1111 cb1111 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Washington DC
Posts: 932
cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold
cb1111 cb1111 is offline
Member
cb1111's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Washington DC
Posts: 932
cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold
Does anyone here regret buying the 4R?
__________________
When in trouble - obfuscate
cb1111 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 01-14-2020, 10:50 PM #35
shrub1's Avatar
shrub1 shrub1 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: California
Posts: 814
shrub1 has a spectacular aura about shrub1 has a spectacular aura about
shrub1 shrub1 is offline
Member
shrub1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: California
Posts: 814
shrub1 has a spectacular aura about shrub1 has a spectacular aura about
Quote:
Originally Posted by cb1111 View Post
Does anyone here regret buying the 4R?
I am the ******* that paid mark up when the Pros first came out and still do not regret it. No rig is perfect. I solo camp in remote places for multi days and reliability was at the top of my list. It's never let me down.
shrub1 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 01-14-2020, 11:52 PM #36
Moose23 Moose23 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: ETX
Posts: 5
Moose23 is on a distinguished road
Moose23 Moose23 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: ETX
Posts: 5
Moose23 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by cb1111 View Post
As a kind of telling note, I posted the same question both here, an Acura forum and the Grand Cherokee forum.

Here and on the Acura forum, the answers have been leaning towards the 4R. I was a bit surprised by that on the Acura forum, thinking that I'd get a few recommendations for the RDX)

On the GC forum, there have been almost 90 views and zero responses...
Let me put on my surprise face. You know what really got me and led to my getting rid of it? The depreciation hit it took. My $50k loaded out with every bell and whistle Summit hemi V8 was worth $26k just under two and a half years later. In immaculate condition with 40k. My 11 JKUR with 110k was worth more than that in 16. I know cars depreciate, but I’d hoped for way better with the GC. They have well known transmission issues and iirc from my Jeep forum reading the interior and tech integrity is not there long term. I’d hoped it would be a long term daily driver and boy was I wrong on many fronts.
Moose23 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 01-15-2020, 12:12 AM #37
cb1111's Avatar
cb1111 cb1111 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Washington DC
Posts: 932
cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold
cb1111 cb1111 is offline
Member
cb1111's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Washington DC
Posts: 932
cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moose23 View Post
Let me put on my surprise face. You know what really got me and led to my getting rid of it? The depreciation hit it took. My $50k loaded out with every bell and whistle Summit hemi V8 was worth $26k just under two and a half years later. In immaculate condition with 40k. My 11 JKUR with 110k was worth more than that in 16. I know cars depreciate, but I’d hoped for way better with the GC. They have well known transmission issues and iirc from my Jeep forum reading the interior and tech integrity is not there long term. I’d hoped it would be a long term daily driver and boy was I wrong on many fronts.
Yeah, they're up to 145 views and not one response.

Normally I don't worry about depreciation on a vehicle like this because I'd normally keep it for 10+ years, but I doubt that the GC would make it.

I think a question now is - new 4R or a two year old GX.
__________________
When in trouble - obfuscate

Last edited by cb1111; 01-15-2020 at 12:18 AM. Reason: updated number of views
cb1111 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 01-15-2020, 12:16 AM #38
cb1111's Avatar
cb1111 cb1111 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Washington DC
Posts: 932
cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold
cb1111 cb1111 is offline
Member
cb1111's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Washington DC
Posts: 932
cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold
Quote:
Originally Posted by shrub1 View Post
I am the ******* that paid mark up when the Pros first came out and still do not regret it. No rig is perfect. I solo camp in remote places for multi days and reliability was at the top of my list. It's never let me down.
Funny, there are nearly zero posts here about broken down 4Rs. There are problem of course, but few that say that the car has left them stranded.

Actually, the only one I can think of is the guy with the horn relay that killed his car.

The JGC forums are rife with broken GCs and "I just bought a 2015 GC and it needs $10k in repairs" - you don't see that here unless it is self inflicted.
__________________
When in trouble - obfuscate
cb1111 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 01-15-2020, 12:31 AM #39
cb1111's Avatar
cb1111 cb1111 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Washington DC
Posts: 932
cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold
cb1111 cb1111 is offline
Member
cb1111's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Washington DC
Posts: 932
cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold
The other thing I find unusual about the JGC forums is that people are wanting to upgrade their 2015 or 16 to a newer model.

I'm sure that happens here too but I haven't seen it.
__________________
When in trouble - obfuscate
cb1111 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 08-02-2020, 10:14 AM #40
H2Owl H2Owl is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Posts: 7
H2Owl is on a distinguished road
H2Owl H2Owl is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Posts: 7
H2Owl is on a distinguished road
I bought a new 2019 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo 4x4 in Feb 2020, trading in a 2011 Nissan Xterra 4x4 that I'd had (and loved) for 8.5 years. I thought I wanted something that was quieter and with a better ride and handling and a bit more "car-like". I considered the 4Runner but it's somewhat similar to the Xterra. I'm an older guy and generally prefer body-on-frame construction (not much left out there in the SUV market) but I got a great deal on the GC and decided to give it a try.

The 3.6 V6 in the GC coupled with the 8-speed auto did offer a sporty driving experience and the ride and quiet cabin were nice but I began to notice a lot of little things like the paint finish quality, fit/alignment of doors & panels, etc. After learning how the roof rack side rails were attached to a rather weak part of the roof, I was hesitant to considering hauling something like a canoe on it. Crawling under it, the unibody construction and aluminum suspension components just seemed so much less robust than what I was used to. It began to look to me like a lot of "value engineering" from FCA for maximum profits.

After five months of ownership, I decided that I didn't want to feel disappointment every time I looked at the GC and decided to bite the bullet and trade it for a new 2020 4Runner.

The difference in build quality and paint finish between the GC and the 4R is remarkable and I'm lovin' the frame and all the steel again! The 4R is SO much more vehicle than the GC.

Last edited by H2Owl; 08-02-2020 at 10:16 AM. Reason: formatting
H2Owl is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 08-02-2020, 11:31 AM #41
Akmerle Akmerle is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Alaska
Posts: 8
Akmerle is on a distinguished road
Akmerle Akmerle is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Alaska
Posts: 8
Akmerle is on a distinguished road
This Spring I went from a 2014 Jeep SRT to my 2020 4R Pro.

Bought the SRT back in 2014 as it was my dream vehicle. Put a smile on my face every time I drove it. Had over 70k trouble free miles when I sold it. Seriously considered getting a Trackhawk, but since my wife drives it 90% of the time I wanted something a little more utilitarian, docile, yet could handle our Alaskan conditions. I had given her the Jeep when we got married, and I bought my Platinum Tundra to replace her Camry. Had the new Jeep WK3’s been out (and in SRT trim), would have seriously looked at them.

I know it’s somewhat of an apples vs. oranges comparison, so take it for what it’s worth...

The good:

Power of the 6.4L is so nice. Has been a bit of an adjustment going from 500 hp/tq to 280. MPG is almost identical, but the SRT used premium.

ZF8 transmission is quite possibly the best transmission ever.

Was a blast to drive, yet could easily cruise in comfort. Tons of safety features. Towed my snowmachine / utility trailer great.

The Jeep was an absolute tank in the snow / ice with studded snow tires. Didn’t do any serious off-roading due to ground clearance, and having the Eibach Pro kit on it made it even lower.

Interior was very luxurious with beautiful leather. Harmon Kardon stereo was incredible. Heated / cooled seats, pano sunroof, heated steering wheel, Uconnet, heated rear seats, LED lights, power lift gate, etc. All worked flawlessly for 7 years.

The not so good:

$1500 brake jobs, but those huge Brembos at all corners were awesome.

Low ground clearance compared to a 4R.

Not as much interior room as the 4R. Still plenty of room tho for family of 4, with Cane Corso in the rear.

Sorry guys, there really isn’t much bad I can say about it. Haha, writing this actually has me missing it!
Akmerle is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 08-02-2020, 04:35 PM #42
cb1111's Avatar
cb1111 cb1111 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Washington DC
Posts: 932
cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold
cb1111 cb1111 is offline
Member
cb1111's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Washington DC
Posts: 932
cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold
Quote:
Originally Posted by H2Owl View Post
I bought a new 2019 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo 4x4 in Feb 2020, trading in a 2011 Nissan Xterra 4x4 that I'd had (and loved) for 8.5 years. I thought I wanted something that was quieter and with a better ride and handling and a bit more "car-like". I considered the 4Runner but it's somewhat similar to the Xterra. I'm an older guy and generally prefer body-on-frame construction (not much left out there in the SUV market) but I got a great deal on the GC and decided to give it a try.

The 3.6 V6 in the GC coupled with the 8-speed auto did offer a sporty driving experience and the ride and quiet cabin were nice but I began to notice a lot of little things like the paint finish quality, fit/alignment of doors & panels, etc. After learning how the roof rack side rails were attached to a rather weak part of the roof, I was hesitant to considering hauling something like a canoe on it. Crawling under it, the unibody construction and aluminum suspension components just seemed so much less robust than what I was used to. It began to look to me like a lot of "value engineering" from FCA for maximum profits.

After five months of ownership, I decided that I didn't want to feel disappointment every time I looked at the GC and decided to bite the bullet and trade it for a new 2020 4Runner.

The difference in build quality and paint finish between the GC and the 4R is remarkable and I'm lovin' the frame and all the steel again! The 4R is SO much more vehicle than the GC.
Interesting points and seems to validate what people are saying on all of the forums.

The Jeep is a very compelling vehicle - looks good, lots of modern features features, powerful engines, mostly decent gas mileage, quite capable (in Trailhawk trim) for most everything that people would normally run into. In short, it has everything that people complain about on the 4R.

But - and this is a big BUT - it is let down by fit and finish, features that don't work and electrics that fail - often catastrophically.

On paper, the GC is far better than the 4R in virtually every aspect, but it let down by its major faults.
__________________
When in trouble - obfuscate
cb1111 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 08-02-2020, 04:38 PM #43
cb1111's Avatar
cb1111 cb1111 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Washington DC
Posts: 932
cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold
cb1111 cb1111 is offline
Member
cb1111's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Washington DC
Posts: 932
cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold cb1111 is a splendid one to behold
Quote:
Originally Posted by Akmerle View Post
This Spring I went from a 2014 Jeep SRT to my 2020 4R Pro.

Bought the SRT back in 2014 as it was my dream vehicle. Put a smile on my face every time I drove it. Had over 70k trouble free miles when I sold it. Seriously considered getting a Trackhawk, but since my wife drives it 90% of the time I wanted something a little more utilitarian, docile, yet could handle our Alaskan conditions. I had given her the Jeep when we got married, and I bought my Platinum Tundra to replace her Camry. Had the new Jeep WK3’s been out (and in SRT trim), would have seriously looked at them.

I know it’s somewhat of an apples vs. oranges comparison, so take it for what it’s worth...

The good:

Power of the 6.4L is so nice. Has been a bit of an adjustment going from 500 hp/tq to 280. MPG is almost identical, but the SRT used premium.

ZF8 transmission is quite possibly the best transmission ever.

Was a blast to drive, yet could easily cruise in comfort. Tons of safety features. Towed my snowmachine / utility trailer great.

The Jeep was an absolute tank in the snow / ice with studded snow tires. Didn’t do any serious off-roading due to ground clearance, and having the Eibach Pro kit on it made it even lower.

Interior was very luxurious with beautiful leather. Harmon Kardon stereo was incredible. Heated / cooled seats, pano sunroof, heated steering wheel, Uconnet, heated rear seats, LED lights, power lift gate, etc. All worked flawlessly for 7 years.

The not so good:

$1500 brake jobs, but those huge Brembos at all corners were awesome.

Low ground clearance compared to a 4R.

Not as much interior room as the 4R. Still plenty of room tho for family of 4, with Cane Corso in the rear.

Sorry guys, there really isn’t much bad I can say about it. Haha, writing this actually has me missing it!
Yes, I think that is part of the issue - some are flawless for years and some are a nightmare. The problem is that it really is a flip of the coin.
__________________
When in trouble - obfuscate
cb1111 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 08-02-2020, 05:31 PM #44
JSparky's Avatar
JSparky JSparky is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Bay Area CA
Posts: 1,812
JSparky is a jewel in the rough JSparky is a jewel in the rough JSparky is a jewel in the rough
JSparky JSparky is offline
Senior Member
JSparky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Bay Area CA
Posts: 1,812
JSparky is a jewel in the rough JSparky is a jewel in the rough JSparky is a jewel in the rough
My brother has a 2016 Hemi, non-air sprung with an OME lift, armor, and 32” Coopers. We’ve reached its max off-road potential and he’s trying to decide what to do next. Debating a wrangler, new defender, bronco or GX.

Anyways, if you have any detailed questions let me know, we have quite a lot of experience with them. Take home for me is that, their ground clearance and articulation issues aside, no one makes locking diffs for them, which means you’re at the mercy of its electronic traction control, which works fine in hi-range, but in the rocks it really struggles compared to Toyota or Rover systems.

Here’s his Jeep on Bald Mountain.
Attached Images
Who here has come from a recent model Grand Cherokee?-cf4ea440-5e46-45ed-9716-d175cb2a5b16-jpg 
__________________
67' Land Rover 109, 97' FZJ80, 16' 4Runner Limited

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-ge...-jr-build.html
http://www.overlandcookery.com
http://www.schaubphoto.com
JSparky is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 12-23-2020, 12:11 PM #45
Bruin1md's Avatar
Bruin1md Bruin1md is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Arizona
Posts: 220
Bruin1md is on a distinguished road
Bruin1md Bruin1md is offline
Member
Bruin1md's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Arizona
Posts: 220
Bruin1md is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by cb1111 View Post
Yes, I think that is part of the issue - some are flawless for years and some are a nightmare. The problem is that it really is a flip of the coin.
OP: what did you end up getting?
Bruin1md is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Reply

Tags
ability , miss , reliability , road , switch

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
5th gen runner vs new grand cherokee Schargedtaco 5th gen T4Rs 118 10-24-2013 09:50 AM
Just a few pics of my recent camping trip to Cherokee 2000se 3rd gen T4Rs 5 05-16-2009 10:18 PM
Is a Grand Cherokee a Jeep? Larry Off-Roading 29 12-21-2005 09:51 PM
Grand Cherokee SRT8 EDGE 4th Gen T4Rs 16 04-04-2005 07:34 PM
05 Grand Cherokee opinions veloindy 4th Gen T4Rs 25 03-26-2005 07:16 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:22 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
***This site is an unofficial Toyota site, and is not officially endorsed, supported, authorized by or affiliated with Toyota. All company, product, or service names references in this web site are used for identification purposes only and may be trademarks of their respective owners. The Toyota name, marks, designs and logos, as well as Toyota model names, are registered trademarks of Toyota Motor Corporation***Ad Management plugin by RedTyger
 
Copyright © 2020