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I have an SR5, with a recently installed Eibach Pro Truck Kit. Before the kit was installed the ride was comfortable, a little mushy in the turns. After the kit the ride is comfortable and a little "tighter or more planted on the road". Personally i LOVE the new feel to the T4R.

one of the reasons people buy the T4R is because they are fairly easy (albeit not cheap) to mod.

that said, think of it this way: (this is an oversimplification)
if your driving cross country and you'd like to do it with the ride of an impala - the JGC is the choice (super plush and comfy). If you'd rather do the drive in a RAM / F150, the T4R is a great place to start (knowing the tires and suspension are some of the first mods made to these vehicles).
Not looking for an Impala ride, but I certainly don't want a Wrangler ride.

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Don't buy a JGC new, it will lose about 10 grand driving it off the lot. Reliability has been horrible. Sometimes people get lucky, I guess the ones that are lucky are the ones that were built by Chrysler employees who don't smoke pot at lunch.

It drives much more comfortably than a 4Runner, but it has 4wheel independent suspension and is not body on frame. Of course it drives better and of course it gets better gas mileage. But it won't match the 4Runner in off-road prowess. I bought my 4Runner to go off road.
True, but if you buy a used one it might break on the way out of the lot....

Anybody spent lots of time in a GX? I've driven a Prado for a week and it was perfectly fine - even on pockmarked roads outside of Mosul.

If the 4R drives/rides even close to a GX/Prado, then I think I'd be happy.
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I had a 16 WK2 Summit 4x4 with the hemi V-8, trader my JKU Rubicon for it and regretted every day of the Grand Cherokee. GC rides like youíre in a recliner, steering was responsive, road noise was nonexistent on my Summit trim. My hatred stemmed from how NOT fun it was to drive. It was just a SUV in a sea of lookalike SUVs and midsized crossovers. It was really lacking that stand out factor. Then my transmission started skipping gears at under 2 years of ownership. Swapped the GC for a Gt350 and am currently waiting on my Toyota dealer to get my 20 black TRD Pro in.

Iíve regretted getting rid of 2 vehicles in my driving life- my 3rd gen 4Runner Limited and my Rubicon. Doubt Iíll miss the GT350 much in the long run as well.
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I had a 16 WK2 Summit 4x4 with the hemi V-8, trader my JKU Rubicon for it and regretted every day of the Grand Cherokee. GC rides like youíre in a recliner, steering was responsive, road noise was nonexistent on my Summit trim. My hatred stemmed from how NOT fun it was to drive. It was just a SUV in a sea of lookalike SUVs and midsized crossovers. It was really lacking that stand out factor. Then my transmission started skipping gears at under 2 years of ownership. Swapped the GC for a Gt350 and am currently waiting on my Toyota dealer to get my 20 black TRD Pro in.

Iíve regretted getting rid of 2 vehicles in my driving life- my 3rd gen 4Runner Limited and my Rubicon. Doubt Iíll miss the GT350 much in the long run as well.
Thanks for the review. The ride and road noise portion sound good - the numbness and tranny issues sound miserable.

I regret selling many cars, primarily my 56 300 Adenauer, my 600 and 300 SEL 6.3 - If I'd have kept those, then I could retire now.
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Does anyone here regret buying the 4R?
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Does anyone here regret buying the 4R?
I am the ******* that paid mark up when the Pros first came out and still do not regret it. No rig is perfect. I solo camp in remote places for multi days and reliability was at the top of my list. It's never let me down.
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As a kind of telling note, I posted the same question both here, an Acura forum and the Grand Cherokee forum.

Here and on the Acura forum, the answers have been leaning towards the 4R. I was a bit surprised by that on the Acura forum, thinking that I'd get a few recommendations for the RDX)

On the GC forum, there have been almost 90 views and zero responses...
Let me put on my surprise face. You know what really got me and led to my getting rid of it? The depreciation hit it took. My $50k loaded out with every bell and whistle Summit hemi V8 was worth $26k just under two and a half years later. In immaculate condition with 40k. My 11 JKUR with 110k was worth more than that in 16. I know cars depreciate, but Iíd hoped for way better with the GC. They have well known transmission issues and iirc from my Jeep forum reading the interior and tech integrity is not there long term. Iíd hoped it would be a long term daily driver and boy was I wrong on many fronts.
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Let me put on my surprise face. You know what really got me and led to my getting rid of it? The depreciation hit it took. My $50k loaded out with every bell and whistle Summit hemi V8 was worth $26k just under two and a half years later. In immaculate condition with 40k. My 11 JKUR with 110k was worth more than that in 16. I know cars depreciate, but I’d hoped for way better with the GC. They have well known transmission issues and iirc from my Jeep forum reading the interior and tech integrity is not there long term. I’d hoped it would be a long term daily driver and boy was I wrong on many fronts.
Yeah, they're up to 145 views and not one response.

Normally I don't worry about depreciation on a vehicle like this because I'd normally keep it for 10+ years, but I doubt that the GC would make it.

I think a question now is - new 4R or a two year old GX.
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Funny, there are nearly zero posts here about broken down 4Rs. There are problem of course, but few that say that the car has left them stranded.

Actually, the only one I can think of is the guy with the horn relay that killed his car.

The JGC forums are rife with broken GCs and "I just bought a 2015 GC and it needs $10k in repairs" - you don't see that here unless it is self inflicted.
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The other thing I find unusual about the JGC forums is that people are wanting to upgrade their 2015 or 16 to a newer model.

I'm sure that happens here too but I haven't seen it.
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I bought a new 2019 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo 4x4 in Feb 2020, trading in a 2011 Nissan Xterra 4x4 that I'd had (and loved) for 8.5 years. I thought I wanted something that was quieter and with a better ride and handling and a bit more "car-like". I considered the 4Runner but it's somewhat similar to the Xterra. I'm an older guy and generally prefer body-on-frame construction (not much left out there in the SUV market) but I got a great deal on the GC and decided to give it a try.

The 3.6 V6 in the GC coupled with the 8-speed auto did offer a sporty driving experience and the ride and quiet cabin were nice but I began to notice a lot of little things like the paint finish quality, fit/alignment of doors & panels, etc. After learning how the roof rack side rails were attached to a rather weak part of the roof, I was hesitant to considering hauling something like a canoe on it. Crawling under it, the unibody construction and aluminum suspension components just seemed so much less robust than what I was used to. It began to look to me like a lot of "value engineering" from FCA for maximum profits.

After five months of ownership, I decided that I didn't want to feel disappointment every time I looked at the GC and decided to bite the bullet and trade it for a new 2020 4Runner.

The difference in build quality and paint finish between the GC and the 4R is remarkable and I'm lovin' the frame and all the steel again! The 4R is SO much more vehicle than the GC.

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This Spring I went from a 2014 Jeep SRT to my 2020 4R Pro.

Bought the SRT back in 2014 as it was my dream vehicle. Put a smile on my face every time I drove it. Had over 70k trouble free miles when I sold it. Seriously considered getting a Trackhawk, but since my wife drives it 90% of the time I wanted something a little more utilitarian, docile, yet could handle our Alaskan conditions. I had given her the Jeep when we got married, and I bought my Platinum Tundra to replace her Camry. Had the new Jeep WK3ís been out (and in SRT trim), would have seriously looked at them.

I know itís somewhat of an apples vs. oranges comparison, so take it for what itís worth...

The good:

Power of the 6.4L is so nice. Has been a bit of an adjustment going from 500 hp/tq to 280. MPG is almost identical, but the SRT used premium.

ZF8 transmission is quite possibly the best transmission ever.

Was a blast to drive, yet could easily cruise in comfort. Tons of safety features. Towed my snowmachine / utility trailer great.

The Jeep was an absolute tank in the snow / ice with studded snow tires. Didnít do any serious off-roading due to ground clearance, and having the Eibach Pro kit on it made it even lower.

Interior was very luxurious with beautiful leather. Harmon Kardon stereo was incredible. Heated / cooled seats, pano sunroof, heated steering wheel, Uconnet, heated rear seats, LED lights, power lift gate, etc. All worked flawlessly for 7 years.

The not so good:

$1500 brake jobs, but those huge Brembos at all corners were awesome.

Low ground clearance compared to a 4R.

Not as much interior room as the 4R. Still plenty of room tho for family of 4, with Cane Corso in the rear.

Sorry guys, there really isnít much bad I can say about it. Haha, writing this actually has me missing it!
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I bought a new 2019 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo 4x4 in Feb 2020, trading in a 2011 Nissan Xterra 4x4 that I'd had (and loved) for 8.5 years. I thought I wanted something that was quieter and with a better ride and handling and a bit more "car-like". I considered the 4Runner but it's somewhat similar to the Xterra. I'm an older guy and generally prefer body-on-frame construction (not much left out there in the SUV market) but I got a great deal on the GC and decided to give it a try.

The 3.6 V6 in the GC coupled with the 8-speed auto did offer a sporty driving experience and the ride and quiet cabin were nice but I began to notice a lot of little things like the paint finish quality, fit/alignment of doors & panels, etc. After learning how the roof rack side rails were attached to a rather weak part of the roof, I was hesitant to considering hauling something like a canoe on it. Crawling under it, the unibody construction and aluminum suspension components just seemed so much less robust than what I was used to. It began to look to me like a lot of "value engineering" from FCA for maximum profits.

After five months of ownership, I decided that I didn't want to feel disappointment every time I looked at the GC and decided to bite the bullet and trade it for a new 2020 4Runner.

The difference in build quality and paint finish between the GC and the 4R is remarkable and I'm lovin' the frame and all the steel again! The 4R is SO much more vehicle than the GC.
Interesting points and seems to validate what people are saying on all of the forums.

The Jeep is a very compelling vehicle - looks good, lots of modern features features, powerful engines, mostly decent gas mileage, quite capable (in Trailhawk trim) for most everything that people would normally run into. In short, it has everything that people complain about on the 4R.

But - and this is a big BUT - it is let down by fit and finish, features that don't work and electrics that fail - often catastrophically.

On paper, the GC is far better than the 4R in virtually every aspect, but it let down by its major faults.
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This Spring I went from a 2014 Jeep SRT to my 2020 4R Pro.

Bought the SRT back in 2014 as it was my dream vehicle. Put a smile on my face every time I drove it. Had over 70k trouble free miles when I sold it. Seriously considered getting a Trackhawk, but since my wife drives it 90% of the time I wanted something a little more utilitarian, docile, yet could handle our Alaskan conditions. I had given her the Jeep when we got married, and I bought my Platinum Tundra to replace her Camry. Had the new Jeep WK3ís been out (and in SRT trim), would have seriously looked at them.

I know itís somewhat of an apples vs. oranges comparison, so take it for what itís worth...

The good:

Power of the 6.4L is so nice. Has been a bit of an adjustment going from 500 hp/tq to 280. MPG is almost identical, but the SRT used premium.

ZF8 transmission is quite possibly the best transmission ever.

Was a blast to drive, yet could easily cruise in comfort. Tons of safety features. Towed my snowmachine / utility trailer great.

The Jeep was an absolute tank in the snow / ice with studded snow tires. Didnít do any serious off-roading due to ground clearance, and having the Eibach Pro kit on it made it even lower.

Interior was very luxurious with beautiful leather. Harmon Kardon stereo was incredible. Heated / cooled seats, pano sunroof, heated steering wheel, Uconnet, heated rear seats, LED lights, power lift gate, etc. All worked flawlessly for 7 years.

The not so good:

$1500 brake jobs, but those huge Brembos at all corners were awesome.

Low ground clearance compared to a 4R.

Not as much interior room as the 4R. Still plenty of room tho for family of 4, with Cane Corso in the rear.

Sorry guys, there really isnít much bad I can say about it. Haha, writing this actually has me missing it!
Yes, I think that is part of the issue - some are flawless for years and some are a nightmare. The problem is that it really is a flip of the coin.
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My brother has a 2016 Hemi, non-air sprung with an OME lift, armor, and 32Ē Coopers. Weíve reached its max off-road potential and heís trying to decide what to do next. Debating a wrangler, new defender, bronco or GX.

Anyways, if you have any detailed questions let me know, we have quite a lot of experience with them. Take home for me is that, their ground clearance and articulation issues aside, no one makes locking diffs for them, which means youíre at the mercy of its electronic traction control, which works fine in hi-range, but in the rocks it really struggles compared to Toyota or Rover systems.

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Yes, I think that is part of the issue - some are flawless for years and some are a nightmare. The problem is that it really is a flip of the coin.
OP: what did you end up getting?
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