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Old 01-14-2020, 11:50 PM #16
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why consider a name brand unit? oh i dont know...sound quality
donít knock it till you try it. I really am quite picky about sound quality, and was pleasantly surprised. For reference, Iíve had $10K aftermarket stereos with professionally tuned DSPs before in vehicles in the past. T9 has a ~16 band EQ, multi-channel delay adjustments and sounds as good as high end units Iíve had from Alpine and Pioneer (Iím running the OEM Audio+ amp/speakers/sub). I know I sound like a fan boi, but really, itís good.
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I'm the guy that found the fix for the T9 screen whine. I didn't buy from CTH but from another seller. CTH was the only one that was interested in fixing these things before they went out to customers and were bending over backwards to get things sorted when the supplier was unsupportive. Say what you want about the T9, but CTH has been solid in my view.

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I assume you are talking about the guys that support the CTH T9, why would you not buy from them if itís coming from CTH anyway? I think having a ďmiddlemanĒ makes tons of sense here considering the language barrier and timezone issues associated with dealing with China directly. These guys generally offer a discount too, and frankly it comes with some amazing support over on the facebook group. Probably the best support Iíve ever had for any product Iíve ever bought. I cracked a screen during install (my fault) on a sunday and within a few hours they gave me a big discount on a replacement and covered DHL shipping and I had it in 3 days. They have answered other questions in a matter of minutes.

Iím extremely impressed with the T9. Once you realize the full possibilities of having a powerful, huge android tablet with a sim card in your dash for $500, youíll wonder why you ever considered a $1000 pioneer. I used to have a $700 iPad pro mounted in my truck hooked up to a $100 GPS unit, hooked up to a $100 mount, all pretty much just to run Gaia. Now I just install the Gaia app and done. Not to mention, you can use the sharkfin as a GPS antenna for awesome reception.
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donít knock it till you try it. I really am quite picky about sound quality, and was pleasantly surprised. For reference, Iíve had $10K aftermarket stereos with professionally tuned DSPs before in vehicles in the past. T9 has a ~16 band EQ, multi-channel delay adjustments and sounds as good as high end units Iíve had from Alpine and Pioneer (Iím running the OEM Audio+ amp/speakers/sub). I know I sound like a fan boi, but really, itís good.
does it play flac? i wonder what DAC chip it uses
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I'm the guy that found the fix for the T9 screen whine. I didn't buy from CTH but from another seller. CTH was the only one that was interested in fixing these things before they went out to customers and were bending over backwards to get things sorted when the supplier was unsupportive. Say what you want about the T9, but CTH has been solid in my view.
Did they ever fix the T9 screen whine or is it still an issue?
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I assume you are talking about the guys that support the CTH T9, why would you not buy from them if itís coming from CTH anyway? I think having a ďmiddlemanĒ makes tons of sense here considering the language barrier and timezone issues associated with dealing with China directly. These guys generally offer a discount too, and frankly it comes with some amazing support over on the facebook group. Probably the best support Iíve ever had for any product Iíve ever bought. I cracked a screen during install (my fault) on a sunday and within a few hours they gave me a big discount on a replacement and covered DHL shipping and I had it in 3 days. They have answered other questions in a matter of minutes.

Iím extremely impressed with the T9. Once you realize the full possibilities of having a powerful, huge android tablet with a sim card in your dash for $500, youíll wonder why you ever considered a $1000 pioneer. I used to have a $700 iPad pro mounted in my truck hooked up to a $100 GPS unit, hooked up to a $100 mount, all pretty much just to run Gaia. Now I just install the Gaia app and done. Not to mention, you can use the sharkfin as a GPS antenna for awesome reception.
I mean there were multiple common problems and the "reps" stopped answering questions on the facebook group after they made their sales and started blocking people or locking discussions when people complained, that's not good support.

Dont buy from people with promo codes because they do things like claim the dust issue was fixed, when independent reviewers showed it was still a problem
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I assume you are talking about the guys that support the CTH T9, why would you not buy from them if itís coming from CTH anyway? I think having a ďmiddlemanĒ makes tons of sense here considering the language barrier and timezone issues associated with dealing with China directly. These guys generally offer a discount too, and frankly it comes with some amazing support over on the facebook group. Probably the best support Iíve ever had for any product Iíve ever bought. I cracked a screen during install (my fault) on a sunday and within a few hours they gave me a big discount on a replacement and covered DHL shipping and I had it in 3 days. They have answered other questions in a matter of minutes.

Iím extremely impressed with the T9. Once you realize the full possibilities of having a powerful, huge android tablet with a sim card in your dash for $500, youíll wonder why you ever considered a $1000 pioneer. I used to have a $700 iPad pro mounted in my truck hooked up to a $100 GPS unit, hooked up to a $100 mount, all pretty much just to run Gaia. Now I just install the Gaia app and done. Not to mention, you can use the sharkfin as a GPS antenna for awesome reception.
People don't want a full, unlocked android tablet experience in a vehicle headunit. It's too cumbersome and isn't user friendly. It's like when tablets came out the android community wanted to create a full desktop PC experience on the tablet. That didn't work out well for android tablets which is why Android OS is basically dead on tablets. Whereas Apple focused more on the mobile aspect of it and essential owns the tablet market because of ease of use.

This is the same thing. When I'm driving I don't want a tablet experience nor even a phone experience on my headunit. It needs to be very basic and simple to avoid distractions. Companies like Alpine, Pioneer, Sony focus on simplicity rather than running a rooted android OS. The more things it tries to do the less optimized and the slower the unit runs. I think there's a very small minority that wants or needs the capability of a rooted android OS in a car.
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Kind of a funky aspect ratio. What is that 9x3?



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The issue isn't brand name but quality.

Tesla began by putting "robust" consumer monitors in their cars and they failed at an alarming rate.

The aftermarket Chinese crap is built for features that sell. If it breaks a few months or a year down the road, then it is OK because the customer has probably moved on to the next best thing anyway.

The name brand stuff (even if made in China) is made to higher specs and will, most likely, outlive the car because they have to worry about the brand.

The Chinese crap doesn't worry about their reputation. Once the "Suckssomuch" brand is in the toilet, they just repackage it to "Sucksevenmore".
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The issue isn't brand name but quality.

Tesla began by putting "robust" consumer monitors in their cars and they failed at an alarming rate.

The aftermarket Chinese crap is built for features that sell. If it breaks a few months or a year down the road, then it is OK because the customer has probably moved on to the next best thing anyway.

The name brand stuff (even if made in China) is made to higher specs and will, most likely, outlive the car because they have to worry about the brand.

The Chinese crap doesn't worry about their reputation. Once the "Suckssomuch" brand is in the toilet, they just repackage it to "Sucksevenmore".
Also, these companies are being subsidized by the govt, so it's not a huge loss. The problem is when these companies bring their govt support and manufacture in the US, but I digress.
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People don't want a full, unlocked android tablet experience in a vehicle headunit. It's too cumbersome and isn't user friendly. It's like when tablets came out the android community wanted to create a full desktop PC experience on the tablet. That didn't work out well for android tablets which is why Android OS is basically dead on tablets. Whereas Apple focused more on the mobile aspect of it and essential owns the tablet market because of ease of use.

This is the same thing. When I'm driving I don't want a tablet experience nor even a phone experience on my headunit. It needs to be very basic and simple to avoid distractions. Companies like Alpine, Pioneer, Sony focus on simplicity rather than running a rooted android OS. The more things it tries to do the less optimized and the slower the unit runs. I think there's a very small minority that wants or needs the capability of a rooted android OS in a car.
That's why I went with a Sony radio. Love the simplicity of it. Has a clean look and it does what I need it to do.
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good luck buying a car stereo without chinese made components
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The issue isn't brand name but quality.

Tesla began by putting "robust" consumer monitors in their cars and they failed at an alarming rate.

The aftermarket Chinese crap is built for features that sell. If it breaks a few months or a year down the road, then it is OK because the customer has probably moved on to the next best thing anyway.

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these chinese units are less than half the cost of "name brand" stereos
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People don't want a full, unlocked android tablet experience in a vehicle headunit. It's too cumbersome and isn't user friendly. It's like when tablets came out the android community wanted to create a full desktop PC experience on the tablet. That didn't work out well for android tablets which is why Android OS is basically dead on tablets. Whereas Apple focused more on the mobile aspect of it and essential owns the tablet market because of ease of use.

This is the same thing. When I'm driving I don't want a tablet experience nor even a phone experience on my headunit. It needs to be very basic and simple to avoid distractions. Companies like Alpine, Pioneer, Sony focus on simplicity rather than running a rooted android OS. The more things it tries to do the less optimized and the slower the unit runs. I think there's a very small minority that wants or needs the capability of a rooted android OS in a car.
Ok - I personally do want the full unlocked tablet, because I don't like my options limited. It's not that complicated, I want pandora, I hit the pandora button, music starts playing. But I get what you are saying, the SETUP of such units can be complicated and some people don't want to deal with the hassle. Keep in mind many headunits (even OEM) are running Android anyway, it's just a launcher that is already setup for you and keeps your options simple. You can recreate the exact same thing with Agama or Car Launcher Pro on a T9. But I digress...

Does it play flac, does it has a Burr Brown 24 bit DAC? dunno, don't care. lossless audio has no place in non-competitive car audio IMO, the noise floor is just way too high. I stream nearly everything these days from pandora, spotify or amazon with quality set to very-high and I'm happy. YMMV.
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