[coffenut]

So I am in the process of purchasing a 2020 ORP and have two questions (for now ) as I am a newbie w regard to "modifications".

1. I see one of the options is paint protection film. Is this worth it? If so, should I get it from Toyota w the purchase or should I look for a 3rd party?

2. this will be my daily driver. Is there anything I can do to make it a smoother ride? The off road aspects will defiantly be used, but it will be a city dweller until I can afford to retire.

[412Runner]

I just purchased a 2020 Venture Edition and went through the same decisions. I'll let you know what I did and maybe it helps you make your decision.

First, for me, the 4Runner is a Winter/Camping/Mountain Biking rig. When the weather is nice, roads are dry, and I'm just touring, I drive my M5.

1. Paint Protection - I decided against it on my 4Runner due to the ride height and the fact its a bit of a beater car for me. I did get a full front XPEL Stealth PPF on my M5 because of the low ride height.
2. Smoother Ride - I had the dealer install the Bilstein 5100 leveling kit which gave the rig a bit of a lift and the ride is very comfortable.

[Edison_chen]

1. I would highly suggest the paint protection film as the front of the vehicle usually get tons of rock chips. I did mine at a shop that is one dealer that sells Xpel ppf. I did the hood and the bumper (including the chrome) but excluding the front head and fog lights.

[cb1111]

Originally Posted by coffenut

So I am in the process of purchasing a 2020 ORP and have two questions (for now ) as I am a newbie w regard to "modifications".

1. I see one of the options is paint protection film. Is this worth it? If so, should I get it from Toyota w the purchase or should I look for a 3rd party?

2. this will be my daily driver. Is there anything I can do to make it a smoother ride? The off road aspects will defiantly be used, but it will be a city dweller until I can afford to retire.

Paint protection film is certainly worth it, but you can get a better product installed by somebody who actually know what they are doing for far less.

As far as ride quality is concerned, I'd drive the car for a while to see what bothers you - unless the dealer will give you a deal to swap out the new suspension.

Generally, any add-ons from the dealer will be more expensive than getting them elsewhere.

[mr_pink]

i have a '14 limited with the stock 20s and i ride on 25psi. allday. dont be scurred.

[cb1111]

Originally Posted by mr_pink

i have a '14 limited with the stock 20s and i ride on 25psi. allday. dont be scurred.

If you are running 25psi on the road, then you're taking your life in you're hands. Emergency maneuvers can become lethal and you're increasing tire wear.

A very foolish suggestion and one that can literally kill you.

Low tire pressure is what brought about the Ford/Firestone debacle and resulted in the TREAD Act.

Back in the late 90's, I had just moved to DC from working at the Volpe Center and was peripherally involved in the Ford/Firestone issues.

A very common thread in many of the accidents was this:

The tires were initially inflated to 26psi (remember that Firestone recommended 30, but Ford downgraded that for comfort and rollover reasons)
The owners didn't check pressure
The drivers left the roadway to the left in a left hand turn
The drivers over-corrected to get back on the tarmac
The tire tread separated resulting in either total loss of control or a rollover
Many of the deaths involved unbelted occupants

But the biggest cause was under-inflation

While the psi listed on the door jamb doesn't need to be taken as gospel (like Ford, it is always biased towards comfort), you should never go more than about 10% below that number (increased wear) and at 20-25% things start getting dicey.

I always up the pressure a bit (in 2psi increments) until it starts affecting ride quality, but I won't increase the pressure by more that 20% or so. More air increases your mpgs and will improve handling. More than 20% or so and you'll increase wear on the center of your tires.

So do not decrease tire pressure to increase comfort.

Decreasing pressure for offroad is another discussion.

[Daikon]

Stock suspension is smooth.

[Cymon]

As @cb1111 stated, drive for a while first. The stock suspension system is about as cushy as you’ll get (hence the “nose dive”). Suspension upgrades, especially off-road versions are designed to stiffen up the ride to stop bottoming out and support extra weight. If you can find another member near you or go out off-roading with a group ask to ride along to test out other suspension setups before you decide. I’ve put almost 80k on my stock suspension and it’s done everything I’ve asked it to do, but I’m more of an upgrade when needed not just because type. In the end it’s you’re $ but if you do decide to upgrade think long term plan with the vehicle...buy once cry once. Just my .02

[mr_pink]

Originally Posted by cb1111

If you are running 25psi on the road, then you're taking your life in you're hands. Emergency maneuvers can become lethal and you're increasing tire wear.

A very foolish suggestion and one that can literally kill you.

Low tire pressure is what brought about the Ford/Firestone debacle and resulted in the TREAD Act.

Back in the late 90's, I had just moved to DC from working at the Volpe Center and was peripherally involved in the Ford/Firestone issues.

A very common thread in many of the accidents was this:

The tires were initially inflated to 26psi (remember that Firestone recommended 30, but Ford downgraded that for comfort and rollover reasons)
The owners didn't check pressure
The drivers left the roadway to the left in a left hand turn
The drivers over-corrected to get back on the tarmac
The tire tread separated resulting in either total loss of control or a rollover
Many of the deaths involved unbelted occupants

But the biggest cause was under-inflation

While the psi listed on the door jamb doesn't need to be taken as gospel (like Ford, it is always biased towards comfort), you should never go more than about 10% below that number (increased wear) and at 20-25% things start getting dicey.

I always up the pressure a bit (in 2psi increments) until it starts affecting ride quality, but I won't increase the pressure by more that 20% or so. More air increases your mpgs and will improve handling. More than 20% or so and you'll increase wear on the center of your tires.

So do not decrease tire pressure to increase comfort.

Decreasing pressure for offroad is another discussion.

firestones huh? with bigass sidewalls right? that makes sense and i wasnt aware of that. and if its only related to the firestone incident then thats fine. ive been running 24 psi when i had my gs350 luxury on stock 18s for a year and a half. i used to go to the canyons for some brisk driving too. fortunately ive never been in a situation where i had to/or did overcorrect my steering like women do cus they dont have a sense of physics. my '14 limited has stock 20s. when its at just above 25psi it doesnt even look deflated and has a small sidewall. ill do some further research i want to be at the lowest psi possible. im more interested on accounts other than the firestone incident where the tires didnt fall off cus of a dumbass driving manuever comnbined with shit tires. but ill tkae that into account and do more research

[Horsethief]

Originally Posted by Daikon

Stock suspension is smooth.

Eh, I feel like the rear is a little harsh when unloaded. It kicks a bit on larger bumps and speed bumps.