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The volume dial on the 2020 head unit is good for broad strokes, but it's hard to use it to dial in on a specific number. I tend to overshoot by an extra number. I've taken to turning the dial to a particular point and then using the steering wheel volume buttons to notch it into the right level one by one.
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My 4Runner has bright, white LED fog lights but dim, yellow headlights. Absolutely absurd. Called the dealership to see if I had to let them do it to keep the ‘headlight/whatever else’ warranty intact and he said I could do it if I want. I just can’t change the actual headlight casing, can only change the bulb.


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Absolutely positively incorrect. If you change to a different type/wattage of bulb and you have an electrical problem (any electrical problem), then the dealer may (correctly) deny warranty service for that failure.

There is, unfortunately, no legal way to upgrade the headlights.
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Yeah I kind of want to do the retrofit to put the older blue module in there that had the clock, range, compass, etc. I know that's been done before, but I don't think it's been done to a 2020 yet and I'm not sure the wiring behind the cluster where you apparently have to tap the wires and get the data is the same as prior to this year.



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I had them do it on my 2020 SR5P. Hold the unlock button down and 4 windows drop and the sunroof opens after a “beep”.

The reprogramming is not in the key fob its in the vehicle and they need to have a Toyota tech do it.
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As said before, a tech can do it or you can also do it with Carista. My '20 ORP now rolls down with the remote.
That's really irritating. I'll take it back in and tell them they can absolutely do it. I told them specifically that they needed to hook the car up to the computer and the tech said it wasn't a feature on the 2020.

I don't have carista, and I don't know someone who has it, so I can't handle it myself.
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That's really irritating. I'll take it back in and tell them they can absolutely do it. I told them specifically that they needed to hook the car up to the computer and the tech said it wasn't a feature on the 2020.

I don't have carista, and I don't know someone who has it, so I can't handle it myself.
Since this has nothing to do with warranty or repair, your dealer is likely going to want to charge for this. You can buy the Carista unit with one month of the app for $29. Then you can try out whatever changes you want. I did windows down, seat belt beep delete, etc.
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Absolutely positively incorrect. If you change to a different type/wattage of bulb and you have an electrical problem (any electrical problem), then the dealer may (correctly) deny warranty service for that failure.

There is, unfortunately, no legal way to upgrade the headlights.

No way you could prove changing the light bulb in a headlight assembly would cause the rear wiper to stop working, since you said “any” electrical problem.

This could be applied to many electrical problems.

Unless you mean just the front lights?


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Since this has nothing to do with warranty or repair, your dealer is likely going to want to charge for this. You can buy the Carista unit with one month of the app for $29. Then you can try out whatever changes you want. I did windows down, seat belt beep delete, etc.
Yeah I figured they might, but I also figured I could get the guy I bought the car from (one of the managers) to get the service department to waive it. The car is barely 3 months old.

Still, I'll ask around and see if anyone has the program.
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Absolutely positively incorrect. If you change to a different type/wattage of bulb and you have an electrical problem (any electrical problem), then the dealer may (correctly) deny warranty service for that failure.

There is, unfortunately, no legal way to upgrade the headlights.
Also incorrect. Unless a different wattage bulb melts a harness and shorts in such a way to make it past the fuse, thus shorting major portions of the whole vehicle wire harness, AND said short can be traced back to that specific cause... whew... changing to a different bulb will make no difference to a dealer if there is another electrical defect not related to the lights. And if a dealer tries to abdicate their responsibility by blaming something they don't like, then there are other dealers.

I'm not sure what you mean by "no legal way to upgrade the headlights", but a warranty is not a law. So, while the upgraded component may no longer be warrantied, it does not "legally" void the vehicle warranty per Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.

Now if you meant "illegal" relating to the use of non-DOT approved lighting as an upgrade, then you are correct. However, this is unfortunately a law that no one enforces so people can basically put ridiculously bright LED light bars in place of head and fog lights and law enforcement turns a blind eye (pun intended). Illegal but kind of like jay walking... no one in position to do anything about it cares to do so.
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Up until December, I still had my '10 Trail. Other than the built in navigation, CarPlay, and the adaptive cruise control, not much has changed. The Jeep tech is way advanced regardless of the questionable reliability. It even had blind spot monitoring that for some reason didn't find it's way onto the 2020 4Runner. Again, I still like the 4Runner better but Toyota could've done better with the tech.
yes they could that is why they have a highlander. If you want tech and all the crossover features that is what you should get. Toyota likes to keep the features in the 4 runner simple because the vehicle historically has lasted for generations due to having the highest reliability rating in the category. The more unnecessary "tech" features they add to this brand the chances that their overall reliability becomes more like your Jeep increases. People who want a 8 speed transmissions like the "Consumer Report do not buy Jeep" can purchase a crossover. Most 4 runner owners like having a very capable offroad vehicle (not crossover) that will have an extremely high resale value and has legendary reliable. Not having all the latest tech or what is "hot" automobile features is why the 4 runner will still be on the road long after a Jeep Wrangler has been crushed.
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yes they could that is why they have a highlander. If you want tech and all the crossover features that is what you should get. Toyota likes to keep the features in the 4 runner simple because the vehicle historically has lasted for generations due to having the highest reliability rating in the category. The more unnecessary "tech" features they add to this brand the chances that their overall reliability becomes more like your Jeep increases. People who want a 8 speed transmissions like the "Consumer Report do not buy Jeep" can purchase a crossover. Most 4 runner owners like having a very capable offroad vehicle (not crossover) that will have an extremely high resale value and has legendary reliable. Not having all the latest tech or what is "hot" automobile features is why the 4 runner will still be on the road long after a Jeep Wrangler has been crushed.
Thanks for explaining all that and why I should buy a crossover. I've never owned a crossover but I have owned 8 Jeeps, a couple of 4WD Suburbans, and now on my 2nd 4Runner, after about 170000 miles of experience on the first one. My first 4R was a '10 TE, very simple as expected for the time. Yet, remember all of the electronic off-road modes? That was kind of advanced for the time. Now it's a new decade and for most of us that buy and drive lots of vehicles, the tech-expectations have increased.

Well-designed tech is not only a "crossover feature"... it is a feature of modern vehicles. Toyota has another body-on-frame SUV called a Land Cruiser. The Land Cruiser is not a crossover, is definitely off-road capable and historically very reliable. The Land Cruiser has most of the tech things I mentioned that the Jeep has, including an 8sp AT, and more. Despite all that, a Land Cruiser will typically outlast the cheaper-built 4Runner. And almost everyone on this forum would love to have its 5.7L/8AT in our 4Runner.

The 4Runner for Toyota is becoming what the old Jeep Cherokee XJ became for Chrysler at the end of its run. The XJ was a great, rugged and reliable Jeep with a venerable 4.0 inline 6 cyl. I had 3 of them (200k, 190k and 102k miles). But the platform and engine was becoming obsolete after about 18 years of production. With safety and fuel economy requirements increasing, Chrysler had no choice but to let it die. However, up until the end in 2001 they sold the crap out of them at MSRPs in the mid-$20k for the high end models. It was a cash cow because all of the design, tooling, assembly lines, etc. had long since been paid for. That is where the 4R is now. People in the know are buying them because they are good. No argument about that at all. And Toyota is making a killing on them. Hence the delay after delay for a new gen. Whenever it does happen, the 6th gen 4R will have all of the above mentioned tech things Toyota doesn't want to invest in for the almost-done 5th gen. Well, I'm sure the EnTune and stereo system will still be a POS but we will get the other stuff.
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Also incorrect. Unless a different wattage bulb melts a harness and shorts in such a way to make it past the fuse, thus shorting major portions of the whole vehicle wire harness, AND said short can be traced back to that specific cause... whew... changing to a different bulb will make no difference to a dealer if there is another electrical defect not related to the lights. And if a dealer tries to abdicate their responsibility by blaming something they don't like, then there are other dealers.

I'm not sure what you mean by "no legal way to upgrade the headlights", but a warranty is not a law. So, while the upgraded component may no longer be warrantied, it does not "legally" void the vehicle warranty per Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.

Now if you meant "illegal" relating to the use of non-DOT approved lighting as an upgrade, then you are correct. However, this is unfortunately a law that no one enforces so people can basically put ridiculously bright LED light bars in place of head and fog lights and law enforcement turns a blind eye (pun intended). Illegal but kind of like jay walking... no one in position to do anything about it cares to do so.

I wonder if people forget there’s a fuse box? Like... lol.


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Thanks for explaining all that and why I should buy a crossover. I've never owned a crossover but I have owned 8 Jeeps, a couple of 4WD Suburbans, and now on my 2nd 4Runner, after about 170000 miles of experience on the first one. My first 4R was a '10 TE, very simple as expected for the time. Yet, remember all of the electronic off-road modes? That was kind of advanced for the time. Now it's a new decade and for most of us that buy and drive lots of vehicles, the tech-expectations have increased.

Well-designed tech is not only a "crossover feature"... it is a feature of modern vehicles. Toyota has another body-on-frame SUV called a Land Cruiser. The Land Cruiser is not a crossover, is definitely off-road capable and historically very reliable. The Land Cruiser has most of the tech things I mentioned that the Jeep has, including an 8sp AT, and more. Despite all that, a Land Cruiser will typically outlast the cheaper-built 4Runner. And almost everyone on this forum would love to have its 5.7L/8AT in our 4Runner.

The 4Runner for Toyota is becoming what the old Jeep Cherokee XJ became for Chrysler at the end of its run. The XJ was a great, rugged and reliable Jeep with a venerable 4.0 inline 6 cyl. I had 3 of them (200k, 190k and 102k miles). But the platform and engine was becoming obsolete after about 18 years of production. With safety and fuel economy requirements increasing, Chrysler had no choice but to let it die. However, up until the end in 2001 they sold the crap out of them at MSRPs in the mid-$20k for the high end models. It was a cash cow because all of the design, tooling, assembly lines, etc. had long since been paid for. That is where the 4R is now. People in the know are buying them because they are good. No argument about that at all. And Toyota is making a killing on them. Hence the delay after delay for a new gen. Whenever it does happen, the 6th gen 4R will have all of the above mentioned tech things Toyota doesn't want to invest in for the almost-done 5th gen. Well, I'm sure the EnTune and stereo system will still be a POS but we will get the other stuff.
I can guarantee your comparison between Chrysler and Toyota will NOT end the same for Toyota as It did for Chrysler (Fiat). Btw I had 2 of those Cherokees with those super reliable 4.0 motors. I left Jeep because they put out crap products not because of minor amenities they didn't have...lol That Land Cruiser is twice the money of my 2018 Trd Pro so I like most 4 runner owners like them simple without that tech bs, obviously they are making a killing selling them this way. The Tech heavy Lexus line might be where you need to go if you want "tech". The gx460 has a great motor and 4 wheel drive system, cost much more but hey the tech is there. The 6th gen will be on an updated proven platform (tech they would have vetted for years in other vehicles) and like Toyota always does it will stay that way for years, no matter what "new tech" comes out. The 4 runner brand has never got the early updates or changes quickly. Toyota sells too many units to make quick changes in this line. I like how they get it right with the 4 runner and they will get it right with the 6th gen. I love how my 4th and 3rd gen 4 runners have 270k, 321k miles and still run like new with no bs crappie tech to break and cost me 1000s to fix. BTW I updated their radio head units and speakers to give them the exact tech I wanted, better than my 2018. If all people like you can complain about on this thread is tech or the lights on their 5th gen 4 runners, Toyota must have hit another homerun....no grandslam.
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I can guarantee your comparison between Chrysler and Toyota will NOT end the same for Toyota as It did for Chrysler (Fiat). Btw I had 2 of those Cherokees with those super reliable 4.0 motors. I left Jeep because they put out crap products not because of minor amenities they didn't have...lol That Land Cruiser is twice the money of my 2018 Trd Pro so I like most 4 runner owners like them simple without that tech bs, obviously they are making a killing selling them this way. The Tech heavy Lexus line might be where you need to go if you want "tech". The gx460 has a great motor and 4 wheel drive system, cost much more but hey the tech is there. The 6th gen will be on an updated proven platform (tech they would have vetted for years in other vehicles) and like Toyota always does it will stay that way for years, no matter what "new tech" comes out. The 4 runner brand has never got the early updates or changes quickly. Toyota sells too many units to make quick changes in this line. I like how they get it right with the 4 runner and they will get it right with the 6th gen. I love how my 4th and 3rd gen 4 runners have 270k, 321k miles and still run like new with no bs crappie tech to break and cost me 1000s to fix. BTW I updated their radio head units and speakers to give them the exact tech I wanted, better than my 2018. If all people like you can complain about on this thread is tech or the lights on their 5th gen 4 runners, Toyota must have hit another homerun....no grandslam.
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Also incorrect. Unless a different wattage bulb melts a harness and shorts in such a way to make it past the fuse, thus shorting major portions of the whole vehicle wire harness, AND said short can be traced back to that specific cause... whew... changing to a different bulb will make no difference to a dealer if there is another electrical defect not related to the lights. And if a dealer tries to abdicate their responsibility by blaming something they don't like, then there are other dealers.

We used to play "Six degrees of Kevin Bacon" linking virtually any failure to virtually any mod. My point was that changing the headlight bulb could have other implications and the dealer saying "go for it" was wrong. Modern cars (including the 4R) have many systems that are inter-related. the problem is that if you have an issue, and the manufacturer sides with the dealer, then you are SOL unless you want to sue the dealer/manufacturer.

I'm not sure what you mean by "no legal way to upgrade the headlights", but a warranty is not a law. So, while the upgraded component may no longer be warrantied, it does not "legally" void the vehicle warranty per Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.

No, the legal had nothing to do with warranty and the MM Act doesn't apply if the component is a "performance" part or changes the performance in any way. The MM Act precludes a manufacturer from denying warranty service based solely on the presence of an aftermarket "substantially similar" part - so swapping an Osram bulb with the identical Bosch bulb.

Now if you meant "illegal" relating to the use of non-DOT approved lighting as an upgrade, then you are correct. However, this is unfortunately a law that no one enforces so people can basically put ridiculously bright LED light bars in place of head and fog lights and law enforcement turns a blind eye (pun intended). Illegal but kind of like jay walking... no one in position to do anything about it cares to do so.
Note comments in bold above. Yes, it is a violation of FMVSS 108 and, while many jurisdictions don't check for headlight compliance, some do - and a cop with a quota might just be interested enough to pull you over and ticket you. DC does that periodically - especially because they can then impound your car (unsafe equipment) and an impound means an inventory. Accordingly, the illegal lights are a legitimate reason to pull you over.

In general, you can go 5 to 10 miles over the speed limit in VA without any issues. There is a stretch on VA-7 between the two Purcellville exits where I've had two of my guys get a ticket for 1 mile over the 55 limit.

If you change out your headlight bulbs, then you need to know that you are technically in violation. Nobody, unless they are driving the same road at the same time in the same car at the same speed, can say "you'll be fine".

All that said, you are generally correct that many jurisdictions don't bother.
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Note comments in bold above. Yes, it is a violation of FMVSS 108 and, while many jurisdictions don't check for headlight compliance, some do - and a cop with a quota might just be interested enough to pull you over and ticket you. DC does that periodically - especially because they can then impound your car (unsafe equipment) and an impound means an inventory. Accordingly, the illegal lights are a legitimate reason to pull you over.

In general, you can go 5 to 10 miles over the speed limit in VA without any issues. There is a stretch on VA-7 between the two Purcellville exits where I've had two of my guys get a ticket for 1 mile over the 55 limit.

If you change out your headlight bulbs, then you need to know that you are technically in violation. Nobody, unless they are driving the same road at the same time in the same car at the same speed, can say "you'll be fine".

All that said, you are generally correct that many jurisdictions don't bother.
Nice to know there are still some parts of this country where cops have nothing better to do than pull people over for non factory but still "white" headlight bulbs. Hope you're not paying taxes for that.
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The MM Act precludes a manufacturer from denying warranty service based solely on the presence of an aftermarket "substantially similar" part - so swapping an Osram bulb with the identical Bosch bulb.
We're mostly in agreement. But regarding the above statement, the MM act is more protective than you describe. We can install a lift kit, much larger tires and wheels that are way beyond factory intentions or specs. We know these things can stress other systems such as additional load imposed on the engine, transmission, cooling system, etc. However, if the transmission failed under warranty a dealer would not be supported in blaming the non-factory suspension setup. If u-joint failed due to extreme driveshaft angle, then it could be rejected as a warranty repair. On a lesser scale, running a HID retro or LED bulb would not cause your A/C electrical issue to not be covered under warranty.
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