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Old 01-14-2020, 06:10 PM #1
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How Does the 2020 SR5 4WD System Operate ?

Im considering a 2020 SR5 Premium with a sunroof. Ive looked at the drawings on the Toyota parts site and I want to understand what happens when you engage and disengage part time 4 wheel drive.

There are 2 motors, one on the transfer case and one the front differential.

When put into 2 wheel high the front drive shaft is disconnected from the transfer case by the first motor.

The second motor disconnects the right wheel drive shaft from the front differential. The left wheel remains connected and when the vehicle moves the front differential will rotate and the front drive shaft (to the transfer case) will also rotate.

Is this correct?
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Yes. I believe only part of the differential ends up spinning (the outside gear, maybe?). That's why Toyota recommends shifting into 4 once a month - to exercise the rest of the gears and get them coated in diff fluid.
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Driver side axle is directly connected to the wheel so the spider gears are always turning and the passenger side shaft section before the ADD turns the opposite direction but the ring & pinion and front prop shaft don't move.

Engaging 4wd moves the collar from the diff side of the passenger shaft over the rest of the shaft.
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Ok. Thank you very much.
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Yes. I believe only part of the differential ends up spinning (the outside gear, maybe?). That's why Toyota recommends shifting into 4 once a month - to exercise the rest of the gears and get them coated in diff fluid.
I just recently found that out, about using 4WD once a month. I've had my 2019 TRD OR for 2 months now and didn't know that.
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Your conversation is very insightful. I'm considering buying a 5th Gen with part time 4WD to flat tow behind a Motor Home.

Toyota doesn't recommend doing so. Is that more likely because the front drive system is still turning even though your disconnected at the Transfer case?

Were to put front tires on a dolly, would that alleviate front end concerns.

The rear-end to transfer case would then be all that's turning. As long as there is no differential lock on rear-end, I can't see there being a problem.

Anyone care to comment?

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I'm considering buying a 5th Gen to flat tow behind a Motor Home. Your conversation is very insightful.

Toyota doesn't recommend doing so. Is that most likely because of the front drive system is still turning even though your disconnected at the Transfer case but still turning in the front end do to contact with road?

If I were to put front tires on a dolly that would aliveate front end concerns.

Rear end to transfer case would then be all that turning. As long as there is no differential lock on rear end I can't see there being a problem.

Anyone care to comment?
The reason Toyota doesn't recommend flat towing is because the pump in the transmission is driven off of the input shaft. So if the engine isn't running, neither is the pump. If the pump isn't running, the transmission isn't being lubricated properly. Without lubrication... things tend to go south.

Most automakers don't recommend flat towing anything with an automatic transmission. I think Jeep says it's safe if the transfer case is put in neutral... not 100% positive. Anyway, Fiat Chrysler not being known as the kings of vehicle longevity, take that advice with a grain of salt.
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Trans Case & Towing

I was considering a model that had a manual (with shifter) Transfer case, so as to shift it into neutral. I would also leave the auto Trans in Park.

Its a great vehicle for everything I want to do, so I'm exploring this option as deep as I can.

Thanks for your comments.
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I was considering a model that had a manual (with shifter) Transfer case, so as to shift it into neutral. I would also leave the auto Trans in Park.
Oh man, this thread might get good...
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I just recently found that out, about using 4WD once a month. I've had my 2019 TRD OR for 2 months now and didn't know that.
The manual is helpful regarding the exercising of the system - frequency and steps for enabling, but not with the level of detail about the how it works.
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Oh man, this thread might get good...
I'm not sure that is a great idea??
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I was considering a model that had a manual (with shifter) Transfer case, so as to shift it into neutral. I would also leave the auto Trans in Park.

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I think whether its a KNOB or Gear shifter, the transfer case still engages 4WD with an electronic actuator.
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I think whether its a KNOB or Gear shifter, the transfer case still engages 4WD with an electronic actuator.
Oh here we go...
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Question Trans Case & Towing

Since my question about towing with a T-case, I spoke to a service manager and read a couple articles reviewing the Part time 4WD drive on the 5th Gen TRD Off-Road. What is clear is the T-Case with manual lever shifted into neutral disengages the front wheel drive completely. Also it disengages T-case from the output shaft. Thereby isolating the drive axle aft to the Rear Differential and rear wheels. With out the rear diff being locked you have the needed sleep between rear tires while cornering etc.

Its my understanding that 5th Gen Toyota transmissions require a pump to circulate oil while running oiling moving parts. Without power no oiling, which is no dough why Toyo doesn't recommend flat towing. The transfer case would appear to depend on oil slinging for lubrication. Which would occur if rear wheels on the ground are turning the drive train up to the Transfer Case.

So in my infinite lack of wisdom, if front wheels of 4Runner are on a Dolly, Transmission is in Park with engine off, and Transfer case is in Neutral. You are basically free wheeling the rear drive train and oil T-case....just don't break something or I'm sure Toyota will not honer your warranty.

Any one care to tell me where my logic is faulty?
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