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Old 02-18-2020, 03:36 PM #16
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Like a true offroad package...not some yakima basket strapped to the top and calling it a day.
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Somehow not the worst thing ever. Looks better on the runner then the bmw's. It's a 'kidney grill' not a damn dual torso grill.
Since it will be 2023, quadruple the grille size and add a turdo 4 popper with fart shift technology.
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Since it will be 2023, quadruple the grille size and add a turdo 4 popper with fart shift technology.
Make the whole car a grill. Forget the drivetrain. **** it.
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Pretty much this...also assuming that it's also not some unholy "joint venture" with BMW, Mazda, or Subaru. Though it would be nice if they took some cues from Dodge / Ram on it (and maybe even the 4Runner if it survives). Like a true offroad package...not some yakima basket strapped to the top and calling it a day.

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Since it will be 2023, quadruple the grille size and add a turdo 4 popper with fart shift technology.

I know I gain a couple extra horsepower when I deploy my fart shift tech to power me off the couch after too many nachos and beer.
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after too many nachos and beer.
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Pretty much this...also assuming that it's also not some unholy "joint venture" with BMW, Mazda, or Subaru. Though it would be nice if they took some cues from Dodge / Ram on it (and maybe even the 4Runner if it survives). Like a true offroad package...not some yakima basket strapped to the top and calling it a day.
I have read rumors that it will be "joint" vehicle with BWM. Not kidding. But reverse of the Supra. BMW will sell a re-branded Land Cruiser because BMW has no meaninful presence in the off road capable market. And they want a vehicle for eastern Europe and the middle east. So they'd like a re-branded Land Cruiser. I could actually see this happening.
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I have read rumors that it will be "joint" vehicle with BWM. Not kidding. But reverse of the Supra. BMW will sell a re-branded Land Cruiser because BMW has no meaninful presence in the off road capable market. And they want a vehicle for eastern Europe and the middle east. So they'd like a re-branded Land Cruiser. I could actually see this happening.
Seems sensible for BMW to want to compete with MB and JLR in those markets.
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The focus on the off-road capable LC is just more ammo to believe that the next gen 4Runner will be castrated.
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Who cares? 5th gen is the last real 4Runner.

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The focus on the off-road capable LC is just more ammo to believe that the next gen 4Runner will be castrated.
Really hard to know. I think Toyota obviously "gets it" that there's no reason to make another highlander. Toyota already has a highlander that's practically identical to the 4Runner in size. So the crossover version already exists and already sells better than a 4Runner. The closer the two become, the less combined sales will be. Toyota also owns Subaru, so the outback fits that slot between the two. As does a Forester in some ways. So there's not a lot of room to go soft on a 4Runner. It seems more logical to me from a marketing perspective to just have a 4Runner and Land Cruiser as comparable products differentiated by size primarily. Basically Tacoma and Tundra. That's what I'd anticipate.
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If they can get it under 60k and with the roll down rear window I am in.
No way. If it's a Land Cruiser it needs to have a split tailgate. I'd rather have the flip up window and a rear tailgate. That's the one feature I love about Land Cruisers. Leave the roll down window to the 4Runner.
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Really hard to know. I think Toyota obviously "gets it" that there's no reason to make another highlander. Toyota already has a highlander that's practically identical to the 4Runner in size. So the crossover version already exists and already sells better than a 4Runner. ..... So there's not a lot of room to go soft on a 4Runner. It seems more logical to me from a marketing perspective to just have a 4Runner and Land Cruiser as comparable products differentiated by size primarily. Basically Tacoma and Tundra. That's what I'd anticipate.
Agreed. I don't think they can make the 4Runner (much) more like the Highlander. How does the Sequoia fit in?
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