If - and I kinda doubt that it's actually accurate - but if the Land Cruiser is truly replaced with a 5 seat version only that's offroad oriented - then the Sequoia could still fit in pretty well as a full size "suburban" style full size 3 row SUV that's more street oriented. Kinda like how it is now.

If they really mean that the LC300 is going to be a 5 seat only - that could mean it's going to be a short wheel base. I don't know how that fits in with the 4Runner that is long enough for a 3rd row. Unless they mean they'll slap the Land Cruiser name on a shortened 4Runner like another FJ Cruiser, but that doesn't fit the shared tundra components part of the equation. The last 2 row Land Cruiser in the USA was the 60 series.

If the Land Cruiser is a true off-roader then I’m buying one. I’ll let the wife have the 4Runner.

Long time LC owner here.

Own my first 4R since selling my 200. It was just too big. The 100 series was plenty big and honestly perfect.

Y’all need to go read on iH8mud about the 300. Last posts I saw were everyone concerned about the LC being given the Lexus LS’ hybrid drivetrain and that reliability out in the middle of nowhere. Zero talk about them making a more stripped down version for NA...


What we all wish for is the 70 series here in NA.

I wouldn’t worry about the 4Rs off-road prowess leaving. There’s no reason for Toyota to turn it into a highlander. They already have a highlander that sells well!

The 4R has always been like a “baby LC” and even though technology advances and we lose axles and other traditionalist off-road features, the ability to off-road with lots of reliability will remain for both models.

But that’s just, like my opinion man ��

With 4R sales at 150k units and all of the tooling paid for years ago I wouldn’t make any significant changes. 4Runner is a cash cow for Toyota. It’s their market share to loose.

Since they look like they will do a complete redesign I hope they get it right. I cant tell you how many times I got into arguments with the marketing and sales clowns at Ford because I wanted features and they wanted “paint and tape”.

Same here. Sold my LC about 6 months ago and went back to a 4R/AG. The LC would of probably worked better for me if my kids were little and still at home and we were doing a lot of camping. They are expensive to own and operate!
Love my new 4R and most likely will keep it for a long time like my 97!

I did not know this. Is this a somewhat recent acquisition?

This would be one of my concerns. I guess some places are more forgiving to wide bodies than others, but my 4Runner already has some significant pinstriping from the trails I've run. If I was in something LC wide, I wouldn't have any mirrors left.

I don't think they own Subaru, just a portion of them (a little under 20%). Happened a few years ago.

If it’s a solid front axle I’m in. I doubt it though.

Toyota has owned a significant share of Subaru since GM sold it in its bankruptcy. GM and Subaru never really did much together though. Toyota recently purchased a larger stake in Subaru and now Subaru is I guess "officially" a sub-brand of the Toyota group. The press releases suggest that you won't see the subaru dealerships morph into Toyota dealers any time soon. And product mix will remain kinda similar to what it is now - but I expect within the next decade most if not all subaru models will eventually become TNGA based and use toyota EV or hybrid drive trains.

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Toyota owns a big chunk of Mazda and they have a big investment in Tesla. I worked on electrical systems that went into Toyotas and Teslas. Same part different shipping address.

I was surprised we didn't see Toyota end up buying Tesla when stock was down. Toyota and Panasonic have been strategic partners forever. Not in the current market though. Even Tesla thinks Tesla is overpriced.

I think the big difference with Subaru is management chains. Toyota is taking a lot more active role in driving Subaru's product mix. I'd bet ten years out the shared part content between a Forester and a Rav4 is something more like 90%. I'm not sure Mazda can survive as a stand alone either. The EV transformation is going to shake up the industry top to bottom. When revolution happens - it happens fast.

Self driving is another game changer - but I don't know who has the lead there. The basic math tells met the current tesla hardware is not capable of safe full self driving (the cameras lack the resolving power to identify object size, shape, or relative velocity at a far enough distance). Maybe Waymo or GM? Even someone like DJI might come out of nowhere and upend the industry. You can't predict the black swan...

Just for clarity, "the middle of nowhere" doesn't really exist anymore. A vehicle can be extracted from 92% of the world now, yes some regions at great expense but extracted none-the-less. So I think that reliability care is only a sell factor and not as much an actual engineering choice that is was in the past. For f'ks sake a small rodent can almost completey disable a modern 4runner in 30 seconds.

...and hell yeah 70 series for the win.

Ease of extraction isn't my exact worry. Getting stranded 20 miles and 10,000 vertical feet from the nearest human contact or cell service with the sun going down is not something I want or need to experience even if its on a forest service road in good enough shape to handle a full flatbed tow truck.

It could be GM, but they are partnering with Honda on their first "production" autonomous vehicle - projected units is about 10k per year currently. My company won this business.

If the Landcruiser has a solid axle or axles, I may be in. I also doubt it though. Let's see what happens. I'm most interested in the 4R, Landcruiser, and the truck. No CVT or FWD for me.

I did look at the Tundra when buying a truck and the Sequoia when I needed a large SUV. Both were too dated and I just could not do it.