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Old 02-20-2020, 02:30 PM #91
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Toyota already makes the Fortuner (aka Hilux SW4) for markets outside the US which is BOF and a little smaller than a 4Runner.
It very well could be the basis for a small BOF SUV. I've driven one in Indonesia. They're pretty decent. Very similar to a 3rd gen 4Runner. They're really the predecessor of the 3rd gen 4Runner when north america upsized to the larger platform. I don't think the styling would do well in the USA, but the concept would probably work with some sheet metal changes.
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That number includes all of the prado sales and lc70. The 200 is much much less. I don't know the exact number. In that 400,000 unit count for example they consider all GX sales as "land cruiser" so the same press release shows 36,000 sales in north america. And we know that less than 10% of that were LC200's. If that ratio holds globally, it's something like 40,000 total. But it's probably less than that. We don't have the LC7x and sales have fallen off a cliff since that was published in 2018. 2019 only sold about 250,000 globally of all models. So maybe 25,000 LC200's plus or minus a few. Australia sells the most at around 13,000 per year. If the ME also sells that many and Africa sells 5k, maybe you could add up 40k globally prior to the drop off in the last year. Even at 50k, it's not a very good selling model.

Another quick search says more than 40k per year in AU alone.

The '''legendary''' Toyota Land Cruiser barely sells in the US

Btw, they are saying no more LC for the US

Anyways, at this point we should stick to what can be referenced instead of what we feel should be true.

Toyota has already publicly confirmed that the LC will continue and that “The all-new 300 Series Toyota LandCruiser will be just as capable as the 200 Series it replaces in 2021 – whether it’s powered by V6 petrol, diesel or even hybrid powertrains”.
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Another quick search says more than 40k per year in AU alone.

The '''legendary''' Toyota Land Cruiser barely sells in the US

Btw, they are saying no more LC for the US

Anyways, at this point we should stick to what can be referenced instead of what we feel should be true.

Toyota has already publicly confirmed that the LC will continue and that “The all-new 300 Series Toyota LandCruiser will be just as capable as the 200 Series it replaces in 2021 – whether it’s powered by V6 petrol, diesel or even hybrid powertrains”.
Australia breaks it down by model. In 2018 the ~ 40,000 were made up of (Prado: 18,553, 200 Series: 13,677, 70 Series: 10,037). I wasn't really guessing about Australia.

Toyota LandCruiser hits 10 million global sales, passes 1 million in Australia | CarAdvice

I sent an email to Toyota's marketing group. They'll probably just tell us.

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Who said anything about an engine swap? What exactly do you think will change structurally between a turbo 4 and v6 in a body on frame SUV that is designed to fit probably 4 engines for the global market? Specifics! What parts will change and how?

Do you not realize that the same new transmission Honda used would also work with the v6? It's weight savings in a transmission that's agnostic to the engine in front of it. I assume Toyota will likely have weight savings from a variety of changes. The difference between a v6 and T4 is not one of them. This is particularly true in the case of a longitudinally mounted engine - 4cyl is taller, longer, and narrower and weighs the same. V6 is wider and shorter. Fitting in the engine bay is a non-issue and will have no meaningful difference in the frame design or body design.

You seem to have, all of it, all figured out so there's nothing else I have to add.
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Australia breaks it down by model. In 2018 the ~ 40,000 were made up of (Prado: 18,553, 200 Series: 13,677, 70 Series: 10,037). I wasn't really guessing about Australia.

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I sent an email to Toyota's marketing group. They'll probably just tell us.
Ask them if they make money on them ;)
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I want the 4Runner to stay a primitive BOF vehicle with a basic engine and transmission that's easy to modify with parts that are readily available. I would like an SR model like the Taco that doesn't have any unnecessary features or add-ons.

If it's some crossover, I'm not getting one.

If they make the Land Cruiser "more affordable" the way the 80 series was and do away with the 4Runner, or ruin it--I'm still okay. I just want one off-road focused BOF SUV in the line up.

The Sequoia is too fat, too useless.

And I really don't want some gimmicky turbo or hybrid assist engine, or a CVT or a sequential.

There are lots of cars and crossovers that already do that. Toyota is like Jeep, they have a product people buy because it's outdated technology.

The FJ Cruiser wasn't a terrible idea. It just was ugly and it had crap seating instead of being a proper 4 door.

If they want the 4Runner to be a crossover luxo barge with a turbo and a fancy transmission I'll just get a Cayenne.
It will be a very interesting time for sure. I'm not interested turbo's, mild hybrids or CVTs either. I don't care if they offer them but I hope Toyota has multiple powertrain options in their new lineups without turbos or CVTs. If the new 4Runner or LC are a let down I think I'm going to get a used 200 series even if the market for a used one is inflated.
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