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Because it is not AWD. It is 4WD with a transfer case that allows high and low gear range with full-time 4WD and part-time 4WD.
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The Limited just switches between full time hi-range and full time lo-range.

It's always on with a 40/60 split in H during regular driving.

Since the FJC had something similar, I have no idea why you can't get a locking rear diff with that setup.
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The Limited is AWD, with a locking CDL (4x4), and a high/low transfer case. There is no 2WD mode unless you have a 2WD only truck (not 4x4 equipped).

You've proven my point about this being confusing to a lot of people, lol!
I'm definitely one who is confused by it all. I just bought my first 4runner and it feels way more like front wheel drive/4Hi/4Low to me than any other 4wd I have ever owned. I've owned 6 Werock comp buggies, about 10 Jeeps, 3 1 ton 4wds, and even an AWD Honda CRV. The limited drives more like every front wheel drive only car than any other 4wd I've ever owned. I've been trying to find a good explanation of each shifter setting and haven't seen much. I'm slowly learning the search functions of this forum, and looking to see what difference the center lock actually makes. If I was going to really wheel it, I would swap in an Atlas and 609s.
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"Full Time 4WD" is a term that exists only in Toyota marketing materials...it's AWD for Toyota's. Here's a pic of a Matrix 4WD so anyone with some spare time can explain how it's not AWD...
More semantics. The Toyota Matrix is AWD (even though it says 4WD on the emblem). 2009 Honda CRV had a sticker that said "AWD". 2010 Honda CRV had an emblem that said "4WD". It was the same exact system, honda just decided to change what they call it. Semantics.

To me, AWD is for crossovers (Honda CRV, Toyota Rav4, Matrix, Highlander, etc.). 4WD means you have a transfer case and a 4LO option. That's why I think the 4runner Limited is 4WD and not AWD. (Even though all wheels are driven at all times)
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More semantics. The Toyota Matrix is AWD (even though it says 4WD on the emblem). 2009 Honda CRV had a sticker that said "AWD". 2010 Honda CRV had an emblem that said "4WD". It was the same exact system, honda just decided to change what they call it. Semantics.

To me, AWD is for crossovers (Honda CRV, Toyota Rav4, Matrix, Highlander, etc.). 4WD means you have a transfer case and a 4LO option. That's why I think the 4runner is 4WD and not AWD. (Even though all wheels are driven at all times)
Toyota, (and Honda as you've pointed out), use AWD and 4WD interchangeably. They are the same thing, and have nothing to do with whether the vehicle is equipped with a high/low transfer case.
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The Limited is AWD, with a locking CDL (4x4), and a high/low transfer case. There is no 2WD mode unless you have a 2WD only truck (not 4x4 equipped).

You've proven my point about this being confusing to a lot of people, lol!
Huh? I never said it was 2wd. I said it has 4WD with a transfer case that allows high and low gear range with full-time 4WD and part-time 4WD.

You can switch the transfer case to 4H or 4L. You can also lock the CDL, which is part of the transfer case, which locks it into part-time 4WD.

I've played alot with these, even put the same type transfer case (from a Sequoia) in my old Tundra to make it FT 4WD before moving into Land Cruisers. It had a 2wd option as well, just like the 4th Gen 4runner V6.
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Huh? I never said it was 2wd. I said it has 4WD with a transfer case that allows high and low gear range with full-time 4WD and part-time 4WD.

You can switch the transfer case to 4H or 4L. You can also lock the CDL, which is part of the transfer case, which locks it into part-time 4WD.

I've played alot with these, even put the same type transfer case (from a Sequoia) in my old Tundra to make it FT 4WD before moving into Land Cruisers. It had a 2wd option as well, just like the 4th Gen 4runner V6.
What does full-time 4WD and part-time 4WD mean to you? I think this is a big part of the communication issue. You say "You can also lock the CDL, which is part of the transfer case, which locks it into part-time 4WD.", which makes it sound like you're calling 4x4 (CDL locked) part-time 4WD? That doesn't make sense to me, to call "Full Time 4WD" = AWD and "Part Time 4WD = 4x4.

4WD means AWD to me. 4X4 means center diff is locked, power is being sent 50/50 to the front and rear axles. 4WD can't equal 4x4, as no driveline has the CDL locked all the time, or "Full Time".

Toyota and Lexus marketing uses "Full Time 4WD" to describe the driveline in AWD vehicles when the CDL is not locked, so I'm not sure what you mean when you say "part time 4WD", there is no part-time 4WD on the Limited trim.

Sequoia's have a part time transfer case, do they not? Where you have options of 2WD, or 4x4 (CDL locked)? I'm not super familiar with the Sequoia's though, it's possible they had a Limited trim that was similar to the GX470's, 4Runner Limited's, etc.

I hope I've explained things clearly, but I've got lots of spare time right now if not, lol.
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What does full-time 4WD and part-time 4WD mean to you? I think this is a big part of the communication issue.

4WD means AWD to me. 4X4 means center diff is locked, power is being sent 50/50 to the front and rear axles. 4WD can't equal 4x4, as no driveline has the CDL locked all the time, or "Full Time".

Toyota and Lexus marketing uses "Full Time 4WD" to describe the driveline in AWD vehicles when the CDL is not locked, so I'm not sure what you mean when you say "part time 4WD".
Haha, full time 4wd is when the CDL is unlocked. When locked, it is part-time. 4x4 is synonymous with 4wd.

Part time 4WD means you only use the 4WD part of the time, i.e., not to be driven on drive paved roads. This is basic stuff.

It isn't a communication issue, it is an issue with lack of understanding by you. Research this and you will agree.
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Haha, full time 4wd is when the CDL is unlocked. When locked, it is part-time. 4x4 is synonymous with 4wd.

Part time 4WD means you only use the 4WD part of the time, i.e., not to be driven on drive paved roads. This is basic stuff.

It isn't a communication issue, it is an issue with lack of understanding by you. Research this and you will agree.
Part time 4WD means you have the choice between 2WD and 4x4 (CDL locked), Full time 4WD means you have the choice between AWD and 4x4 (CDL locked).

As these trucks can't be operated in 2WD, they don't have a "part time 4WD" mode. You're right in that this isn't tricky stuff, but it does seem to confuse people.

http://www.4x4abc.com/4WD101/definition_part.html

This link supports my version of reality...

"Main mode is 2 wheel drive for everyday pavement use....Part time 4WD has no center differential!"
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Part time 4WD means you have the choice between 2WD and 4x4 (CDL locked), Full time 4WD means you have the choice between AWD and 4x4 (CDL locked).

As these trucks can't be operated in 2WD, they don't have a "part time 4WD" mode. You're right in that this isn't tricky stuff, but it does seem to confuse people.

http://www.4x4abc.com/4WD101/definition_part.html

This link supports my version of reality...

"Main mode is 2 wheel drive for everyday pavement use....Part time 4WD has no center differential!"
With the CDL locked the 4WD system is exactly the same and operates as part-time 4WD. The difference, is with the CDL off, you can drive using 4WD full-time. The multi-mode on the Sequoia and V6 4th gen 4Runner offers 2wd as well as part of the system. Not sure why Toyota went away from it on the 4Runner.
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With the CDL locked the 4WD system is exactly the same and operates as part-time 4WD. The difference, is with the CDL off, you can drive using 4WD full-time. The multi-mode on the Sequoia and V6 4th gen 4Runner offers 2wd as well as part of the system. Not sure why Toyota went away from it on the 4Runner.
Things nobody has ever said: "It's getting pretty deep, better put it in part time."

The 5th gen Limited has a full time transfer case, which is fundamentally different than a part time transfer case. There is no "part time mode" on a vehicle that has full time 4WD. There's AWD, and 4x4 when the CDL is locked.

You're just using the terminology wrong, and that's a you problem.
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