04-01-2020, 02:08 PM
|
#31
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Humble,TX
Posts: 88
|
|
Member
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Humble,TX
Posts: 88
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by bamma
Because it is not AWD. It is 4WD with a transfer case that allows high and low gear range with full-time 4WD and part-time 4WD.
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by LandCruiser
The Limited just switches between full time hi-range and full time lo-range.
It's always on with a 40/60 split in H during regular driving.
Since the FJC had something similar, I have no idea why you can't get a locking rear diff with that setup.
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by IanB
The Limited is AWD, with a locking CDL (4x4), and a high/low transfer case. There is no 2WD mode unless you have a 2WD only truck (not 4x4 equipped).
You've proven my point about this being confusing to a lot of people, lol!
|
I'm definitely one who is confused by it all. I just bought my first 4runner and it feels way more like front wheel drive/4Hi/4Low to me than any other 4wd I have ever owned. I've owned 6 Werock comp buggies, about 10 Jeeps, 3 1 ton 4wds, and even an AWD Honda CRV. The limited drives more like every front wheel drive only car than any other 4wd I've ever owned. I've been trying to find a good explanation of each shifter setting and haven't seen much. I'm slowly learning the search functions of this forum, and looking to see what difference the center lock actually makes. If I was going to really wheel it, I would swap in an Atlas and 609s.
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
04-01-2020, 02:08 PM
|
#32
|
Junior Member
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: MO
Posts: 29
|
|
Junior Member
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: MO
Posts: 29
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by IanB
"Full Time 4WD" is a term that exists only in Toyota marketing materials...it's AWD for Toyota's. Here's a pic of a Matrix 4WD so anyone with some spare time can explain how it's not AWD...
|
More semantics. The Toyota Matrix is AWD (even though it says 4WD on the emblem). 2009 Honda CRV had a sticker that said "AWD". 2010 Honda CRV had an emblem that said "4WD". It was the same exact system, honda just decided to change what they call it. Semantics.
To me, AWD is for crossovers (Honda CRV, Toyota Rav4, Matrix, Highlander, etc.). 4WD means you have a transfer case and a 4LO option. That's why I think the 4runner Limited is 4WD and not AWD. (Even though all wheels are driven at all times)
__________________
2015 4Runner SR5 4x4 White (sold)
2019 4Runner Limited 4x4 Silver
Last edited by tflux; 04-01-2020 at 02:53 PM.
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
04-01-2020, 02:30 PM
|
#33
|
|
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Winnipeg, MB, Canada
Posts: 2,189
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Winnipeg, MB, Canada
Posts: 2,189
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by tflux
More semantics. The Toyota Matrix is AWD (even though it says 4WD on the emblem). 2009 Honda CRV had a sticker that said "AWD". 2010 Honda CRV had an emblem that said "4WD". It was the same exact system, honda just decided to change what they call it. Semantics.
To me, AWD is for crossovers (Honda CRV, Toyota Rav4, Matrix, Highlander, etc.). 4WD means you have a transfer case and a 4LO option. That's why I think the 4runner is 4WD and not AWD. (Even though all wheels are driven at all times)
|
Toyota, (and Honda as you've pointed out), use AWD and 4WD interchangeably. They are the same thing, and have nothing to do with whether the vehicle is equipped with a high/low transfer case.
__________________
'93 Toyota LandCruiser VX Ltd 4.2TD - 3X e-lockers, winch, factory fridge, 285/75/16E Duratracs, ICON Stage 1 3" lift, GTurbo Grunter Extreme
'04 Lexus GX470 Ultra Premium - Dobinsons 2F/1R lift, Tandem 612's w/ 265/70/17 Wildpeaks, XD HID lows
'15 Lexus GX460 - FJC 6-spokes w/ 265/65/17C Duratracs Weathertech HP & Canvasback liners
'15 4Runner Limited - 1" Cornfed level, 255/75/17SL Duratracs on FJC 8-holes, XD HID lows, Sprint Booster, Canvasbacks & Husky Liners - SOLD
'96 Toyota Hilux Surf SSR-G 3.0TD RIP - 265/75/16C Duratracs, '99 tall fronts, OME 906's rear
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
04-01-2020, 02:36 PM
|
#34
|
|
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Knoxville, Tennessee
Posts: 1,256
Real Name: Mark
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Knoxville, Tennessee
Posts: 1,256
Real Name: Mark
|
This conversation is why things need to get better and we can all go back to work.
__________________
Current: 2004 Land Cruiser Thundercloud Metallic
Former: 2020 ORP Silver. BFG AT KO2s, TRD Skid Plate, added Rear Sliding Deck, Pro LED fogs, Infinity REF-3032CFX dash speakers.
In Between: 2020 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon with almost all options. Got tired of worrying about it disintegrating and ending up setting at the dealer for weeks and months.
Former: 2010 TE Silver w/ C4 Fab Rock Sliders, TRD skid plate, ECGS bushing upgrade, Bilstein 5100s, and BFG AT KO2 tires.
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
04-04-2020, 06:12 PM
|
#35
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Stuck in an electric mountain trap in the Pyrenees or Mars, or Spokane WA.
Posts: 577
Real Name: Dark Lord Xenu
|
|
Member
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Stuck in an electric mountain trap in the Pyrenees or Mars, or Spokane WA.
Posts: 577
Real Name: Dark Lord Xenu
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by IanB
The Limited is AWD, with a locking CDL (4x4), and a high/low transfer case. There is no 2WD mode unless you have a 2WD only truck (not 4x4 equipped).
You've proven my point about this being confusing to a lot of people, lol!
|
Huh? I never said it was 2wd. I said it has 4WD with a transfer case that allows high and low gear range with full-time 4WD and part-time 4WD.
You can switch the transfer case to 4H or 4L. You can also lock the CDL, which is part of the transfer case, which locks it into part-time 4WD.
I've played alot with these, even put the same type transfer case (from a Sequoia) in my old Tundra to make it FT 4WD before moving into Land Cruisers. It had a 2wd option as well, just like the 4th Gen 4runner V6.
__________________
Greg's mother wishes she had aborted him.
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
04-04-2020, 06:20 PM
|
#36
|
|
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Winnipeg, MB, Canada
Posts: 2,189
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Winnipeg, MB, Canada
Posts: 2,189
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by bamma
Huh? I never said it was 2wd. I said it has 4WD with a transfer case that allows high and low gear range with full-time 4WD and part-time 4WD.
You can switch the transfer case to 4H or 4L. You can also lock the CDL, which is part of the transfer case, which locks it into part-time 4WD.
I've played alot with these, even put the same type transfer case (from a Sequoia) in my old Tundra to make it FT 4WD before moving into Land Cruisers. It had a 2wd option as well, just like the 4th Gen 4runner V6.
|
What does full-time 4WD and part-time 4WD mean to you? I think this is a big part of the communication issue. You say "You can also lock the CDL, which is part of the transfer case, which locks it into part-time 4WD.", which makes it sound like you're calling 4x4 (CDL locked) part-time 4WD? That doesn't make sense to me, to call "Full Time 4WD" = AWD and "Part Time 4WD = 4x4.
4WD means AWD to me. 4X4 means center diff is locked, power is being sent 50/50 to the front and rear axles. 4WD can't equal 4x4, as no driveline has the CDL locked all the time, or "Full Time".
Toyota and Lexus marketing uses "Full Time 4WD" to describe the driveline in AWD vehicles when the CDL is not locked, so I'm not sure what you mean when you say "part time 4WD", there is no part-time 4WD on the Limited trim.
Sequoia's have a part time transfer case, do they not? Where you have options of 2WD, or 4x4 (CDL locked)? I'm not super familiar with the Sequoia's though, it's possible they had a Limited trim that was similar to the GX470's, 4Runner Limited's, etc.
I hope I've explained things clearly, but I've got lots of spare time right now if not, lol.
__________________
'93 Toyota LandCruiser VX Ltd 4.2TD - 3X e-lockers, winch, factory fridge, 285/75/16E Duratracs, ICON Stage 1 3" lift, GTurbo Grunter Extreme
'04 Lexus GX470 Ultra Premium - Dobinsons 2F/1R lift, Tandem 612's w/ 265/70/17 Wildpeaks, XD HID lows
'15 Lexus GX460 - FJC 6-spokes w/ 265/65/17C Duratracs Weathertech HP & Canvasback liners
'15 4Runner Limited - 1" Cornfed level, 255/75/17SL Duratracs on FJC 8-holes, XD HID lows, Sprint Booster, Canvasbacks & Husky Liners - SOLD
'96 Toyota Hilux Surf SSR-G 3.0TD RIP - 265/75/16C Duratracs, '99 tall fronts, OME 906's rear
Last edited by IanB; 04-04-2020 at 06:28 PM.
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
04-04-2020, 06:30 PM
|
#37
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Stuck in an electric mountain trap in the Pyrenees or Mars, or Spokane WA.
Posts: 577
Real Name: Dark Lord Xenu
|
|
Member
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Stuck in an electric mountain trap in the Pyrenees or Mars, or Spokane WA.
Posts: 577
Real Name: Dark Lord Xenu
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by IanB
What does full-time 4WD and part-time 4WD mean to you? I think this is a big part of the communication issue.
4WD means AWD to me. 4X4 means center diff is locked, power is being sent 50/50 to the front and rear axles. 4WD can't equal 4x4, as no driveline has the CDL locked all the time, or "Full Time".
Toyota and Lexus marketing uses "Full Time 4WD" to describe the driveline in AWD vehicles when the CDL is not locked, so I'm not sure what you mean when you say "part time 4WD".
|
Haha, full time 4wd is when the CDL is unlocked. When locked, it is part-time. 4x4 is synonymous with 4wd.
Part time 4WD means you only use the 4WD part of the time, i.e., not to be driven on drive paved roads. This is basic stuff.
It isn't a communication issue, it is an issue with lack of understanding by you. Research this and you will agree.
__________________
Greg's mother wishes she had aborted him.
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
04-04-2020, 06:39 PM
|
#38
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Richmond, Virginia
Posts: 424
|
|
Member
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Richmond, Virginia
Posts: 424
|
"First Known Use of 'limited edition' was in 1818"
__________________
2023 TRD ORP w/KDSS. Red again.
This 2016 TEP w/KDSS is a big step up from the 1986 Subaru GL wagon I used on the Outer Banks beaches for 14 years. That thing would go anywhere in the sand on 185/70-13 tires. Dual range 5 speed, factory skid plate, 3 position manually adjustable rear shocks and armored exhaust. All factory, including the white spoke wheels. The front sub frame finally rusted apart.
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
04-04-2020, 06:43 PM
|
#39
|
|
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Winnipeg, MB, Canada
Posts: 2,189
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Winnipeg, MB, Canada
Posts: 2,189
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by bamma
Haha, full time 4wd is when the CDL is unlocked. When locked, it is part-time. 4x4 is synonymous with 4wd.
Part time 4WD means you only use the 4WD part of the time, i.e., not to be driven on drive paved roads. This is basic stuff.
It isn't a communication issue, it is an issue with lack of understanding by you. Research this and you will agree.
|
Part time 4WD means you have the choice between 2WD and 4x4 (CDL locked), Full time 4WD means you have the choice between AWD and 4x4 (CDL locked).
As these trucks can't be operated in 2WD, they don't have a "part time 4WD" mode. You're right in that this isn't tricky stuff, but it does seem to confuse people.
http://www.4x4abc.com/4WD101/definition_part.html
This link supports my version of reality...
"Main mode is 2 wheel drive for everyday pavement use....Part time 4WD has no center differential!"
__________________
'93 Toyota LandCruiser VX Ltd 4.2TD - 3X e-lockers, winch, factory fridge, 285/75/16E Duratracs, ICON Stage 1 3" lift, GTurbo Grunter Extreme
'04 Lexus GX470 Ultra Premium - Dobinsons 2F/1R lift, Tandem 612's w/ 265/70/17 Wildpeaks, XD HID lows
'15 Lexus GX460 - FJC 6-spokes w/ 265/65/17C Duratracs Weathertech HP & Canvasback liners
'15 4Runner Limited - 1" Cornfed level, 255/75/17SL Duratracs on FJC 8-holes, XD HID lows, Sprint Booster, Canvasbacks & Husky Liners - SOLD
'96 Toyota Hilux Surf SSR-G 3.0TD RIP - 265/75/16C Duratracs, '99 tall fronts, OME 906's rear
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
04-05-2020, 01:05 AM
|
#40
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Stuck in an electric mountain trap in the Pyrenees or Mars, or Spokane WA.
Posts: 577
Real Name: Dark Lord Xenu
|
|
Member
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Stuck in an electric mountain trap in the Pyrenees or Mars, or Spokane WA.
Posts: 577
Real Name: Dark Lord Xenu
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by IanB
Part time 4WD means you have the choice between 2WD and 4x4 (CDL locked), Full time 4WD means you have the choice between AWD and 4x4 (CDL locked).
As these trucks can't be operated in 2WD, they don't have a "part time 4WD" mode. You're right in that this isn't tricky stuff, but it does seem to confuse people.
http://www.4x4abc.com/4WD101/definition_part.html
This link supports my version of reality...
"Main mode is 2 wheel drive for everyday pavement use....Part time 4WD has no center differential!"
|
With the CDL locked the 4WD system is exactly the same and operates as part-time 4WD. The difference, is with the CDL off, you can drive using 4WD full-time. The multi-mode on the Sequoia and V6 4th gen 4Runner offers 2wd as well as part of the system. Not sure why Toyota went away from it on the 4Runner.
__________________
Greg's mother wishes she had aborted him.
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
04-05-2020, 01:13 AM
|
#41
|
|
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Knoxville, Tennessee
Posts: 1,256
Real Name: Mark
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Knoxville, Tennessee
Posts: 1,256
Real Name: Mark
|
Here, I'm sure this Toyota FAQ sheet will clear things up nicely.
__________________
Current: 2004 Land Cruiser Thundercloud Metallic
Former: 2020 ORP Silver. BFG AT KO2s, TRD Skid Plate, added Rear Sliding Deck, Pro LED fogs, Infinity REF-3032CFX dash speakers.
In Between: 2020 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon with almost all options. Got tired of worrying about it disintegrating and ending up setting at the dealer for weeks and months.
Former: 2010 TE Silver w/ C4 Fab Rock Sliders, TRD skid plate, ECGS bushing upgrade, Bilstein 5100s, and BFG AT KO2 tires.
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
04-05-2020, 03:07 AM
|
#42
|
|
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 1,409
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 1,409
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
04-05-2020, 03:19 AM
|
#43
|
Junior Member
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 19
Real Name: Rich
|
|
Junior Member
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 19
Real Name: Rich
|
Nice ride
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
04-09-2020, 02:51 PM
|
#44
|
|
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Winnipeg, MB, Canada
Posts: 2,189
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Winnipeg, MB, Canada
Posts: 2,189
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by bamma
With the CDL locked the 4WD system is exactly the same and operates as part-time 4WD. The difference, is with the CDL off, you can drive using 4WD full-time. The multi-mode on the Sequoia and V6 4th gen 4Runner offers 2wd as well as part of the system. Not sure why Toyota went away from it on the 4Runner.
|
Things nobody has ever said: "It's getting pretty deep, better put it in part time."
The 5th gen Limited has a full time transfer case, which is fundamentally different than a part time transfer case. There is no "part time mode" on a vehicle that has full time 4WD. There's AWD, and 4x4 when the CDL is locked.
You're just using the terminology wrong, and that's a you problem.
__________________
'93 Toyota LandCruiser VX Ltd 4.2TD - 3X e-lockers, winch, factory fridge, 285/75/16E Duratracs, ICON Stage 1 3" lift, GTurbo Grunter Extreme
'04 Lexus GX470 Ultra Premium - Dobinsons 2F/1R lift, Tandem 612's w/ 265/70/17 Wildpeaks, XD HID lows
'15 Lexus GX460 - FJC 6-spokes w/ 265/65/17C Duratracs Weathertech HP & Canvasback liners
'15 4Runner Limited - 1" Cornfed level, 255/75/17SL Duratracs on FJC 8-holes, XD HID lows, Sprint Booster, Canvasbacks & Husky Liners - SOLD
'96 Toyota Hilux Surf SSR-G 3.0TD RIP - 265/75/16C Duratracs, '99 tall fronts, OME 906's rear
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
04-09-2020, 03:48 PM
|
#45
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: San Diego
Posts: 189
|
|
Member
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: San Diego
Posts: 189
|
"Limited" Limited to what, how many they can sell??
__________________
2014 4runner Trail, KDSS, 6112's w/King 650# springs, 5100, 295/70/17 DuraTrac, 4.88 Nitro Gears, Harrop Front E-locker, ToyTec 2.0 rear springs, Metal Tech Sliders, Full RCI STEEL skids, Prinsu Rack, C4 Fab Fuel Tank Skid, C4 Lo Pro bumper with High clearance, X20 winch, ARB Twin Compressor, Northstar 27F, Precision LED conversion, NoCo onboard charger, Icon Delta Joint UCA's, Dobinson's Rear Drawers.
1989 4Runner: All Stock
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is On
|
|
|
|