04-27-2020, 11:39 PM
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Icon rear spring questions.
Hey guys, I’ve done some searching lately and been seeing a mixed bit of responses. So I’m looking to keep 2” lift in the rear. Right now I’ve got a 1” spacer plus airlift bags (tow a holiday trailer). I have a shrockworks bumper with swing out, home made cargo boxes in the back, maybe 100, lbs of gear in the back at all times.
I originally ordered icon overland springs but now I’m thinking 2.5-3” is out of my realm. I was just about to pull the trigger on some of the 2” icon springs, but then I read of issues of a lean, and people that are loaded up are seeing less than 2”.
Can someone that has a rear bumper and about the same weight chime in and let me know how these 2” coils settled for you? Thanks!
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04-28-2020, 02:45 AM
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The icon overland springs are stiff. Like really stiff if you don’t have weight. You might not even have enough weight. I took mine out. But I wanted a 3”+ rear coil.
I’d look into dobinsons to see what they have to offer. King also makes springs in about any configuration you want.
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04-28-2020, 10:16 AM
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I had my 3" ICON overland springs ... They were alittle stiff and gave me the Komifornia rake look. But once I took out my sliding tray replaced it with a 3rd row. It evened it out. Might need to look for something little bit more when I install a metal rear bumper in there...
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04-28-2020, 01:12 PM
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The ICON Overland springs should be good for you. I have a similar setup and have been happy. I personally don't think they are stiff at all with the weight. I have a full rear bumper and storage drawers in the back with a GOBI rack.
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04-28-2020, 03:41 PM
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The ICON Overland springs should be good for you. I have a similar setup and have been happy. I personally don't think they are stiff at all with the weight. I have a full rear bumper and storage drawers in the back with a GOBI rack.
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Thanks! Looking through your build link now. Exactly what I was goin for.
Luckily the rear springs are easy as shit to pop in and out so I might just install them and test it out..
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Reason: Was too stupid to see your signature link..
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Thanks! Looking through your build link now. Exactly what I was goin for.
Luckily the rear springs are easy as shit to pop in and out so I might just install them and test it out..
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I used to run Overland 3" springs but found them way too soft. Im probably a tad heavier than you are with my roof top tent but even without it I was constantly bottoming out and reverse raked when I was at full trip weight. I still think the OME 899s are really the only good option for folks who have heavy rear bumpers and carry full trip weight loads.
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I used to run Overland 3" springs but found them way too soft. Im probably a tad heavier than you are with my roof top tent but even without it I was constantly bottoming out and reverse raked when I was at full trip weight. I still think the OME 899s are really the only good option for folks who have heavy rear bumpers and carry full trip weight loads.
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Interesting... You think the 899's can handle a heavier load than some of the Dobinson's options? For my setup their variable rate coils have worked great, especially since for me the difference between dry and trip weight are so significant
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I used to run Overland 3" springs but found them way too soft. Im probably a tad heavier than you are with my roof top tent but even without it I was constantly bottoming out and reverse raked when I was at full trip weight. I still think the OME 899s are really the only good option for folks who have heavy rear bumpers and carry full trip weight loads.
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Really? I havent really looked into the ome’s before. Is the 899 the medium coil? I feel like I don’t have enough for a true heavy coil and would find it super stiff. Mediums with the airlift bags might suit me good.
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Originally Posted by Xtremluck
I used to run Overland 3" springs but found them way too soft. Im probably a tad heavier than you are with my roof top tent but even without it I was constantly bottoming out and reverse raked when I was at full trip weight. I still think the OME 899s are really the only good option for folks who have heavy rear bumpers and carry full trip weight loads.
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the OME 899's ... does that imply there 899lbs springs ???
Right Now; Fully loaded w/ 6people and 3 full pelican 1650's in the roof rack, 2 large suit cases in the rear, and full ice chest... the rig rides comfy with the overland springs.
Im going to purchase a metal rear bumper soon and mount a Titan spare tire fuel cell on there. And I have a 3rd row... Do you think the OME's are a better option than the overland.
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the OME 899's ... does that imply there 899lbs springs ???
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Rear OME Coils are definitely an option to look into;
Part #2889, Medium Load (3" Lift) - Good for about 200-400lbs of aftermarket weight.
Part #2898, Heavy Load (3" Lift) - Good for about 400-600lbs of constant aftermarket weight.
Part #2899, Heavy Load (3" Lift) - Good for about 800-900lbs of constant aftermarket weight.
Of course, 5th Gen builds may vary.
Dobinsons Rear Coils are another great option.
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Rear OME Coils are definitely an option to look into;
Part #2889, Medium Load (3" Lift) - Good for about 200-400lbs of aftermarket weight.
Part #2898, Heavy Load (3" Lift) - Good for about 400-600lbs of constant aftermarket weight.
Part #2899, Heavy Load (3" Lift) - Good for about 800-900lbs of constant aftermarket weight.
Of course, 5th Gen builds may vary.
Dobinsons Rear Coils are another great option.
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If 8 went with the medium load, do you think I’d get down to about a 2” lift? 3inches is getting a bit higher than I want. Dobinsons has a 2” spring
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Interesting... You think the 899's can handle a heavier load than some of the Dobinson's options? For my setup their variable rate coils have worked great, especially since for me the difference between dry and trip weight are so significant
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I know Dobinson has come out with some heavier variable coils but at the time the heaviest option didn't seem enough. I had a guy I know on them who had a similar setup as me and he was sagging. The newer options may be better.
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Really? I havent really looked into the ome’s before. Is the 899 the medium coil? I feel like I don’t have enough for a true heavy coil and would find it super stiff. Mediums with the airlift bags might suit me good.
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Really depends on how you use your rig. Mine is a dedicated off road vehicle and when I venture on dirt im fully loaded for 1-2 weeks of food, water and have a full set of tools and spare parts. Usually travel at a decent pace and often navigating rough washboard roads and whoops. I still bottom out my 899s from time to time.
I've never been a huge fan of air anything in off road suspension. Unless it is on my mountain bikes
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the OME 899's ... does that imply there 899lbs springs ???
Right Now; Fully loaded w/ 6people and 3 full pelican 1650's in the roof rack, 2 large suit cases in the rear, and full ice chest... the rig rides comfy with the overland springs.
Im going to purchase a metal rear bumper soon and mount a Titan spare tire fuel cell on there. And I have a 3rd row... Do you think the OME's are a better option than the overland.
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It's for 3" of lift for a rig that has 800-900lbs of constant weight. You will be surprised how quickly weight can add up. I also like to keep the rear at a higher height. Its super useful when dropping off of things like rock shelfs for instance.
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I went from Dobinsons 701v to OME 899 to Dobinsons 749v.
With all the weight I carry I was finding the 701’s a little soft. The 899’s were great but I missed the down travel variable coils gave me. Attempted to mediate this with some poly spacers, but ended up going 749v when they came out and love them. I have a hybrid extended travel shock with 2” bump stop extensions and rarely bottom out.
I still prefer the predictability of a linear coil like the OME for on-road, but off-road you cant beat the travel of a variable rate.
The Dobinsons will ride tall when unloaded, where as a linear coil will just ride firmer (little tall, but within range). What this means is you may need to look at other components depending on your specific setup, like rear control arms to correct your pinion angle, longer sway bar links, etc, depending on typical ride height.
I admittedly went pretty tall with my build, probably running the 749v’s on the lighter side, but when loaded up for a trip it’s nice and level, which is how I like it.
For what it’s worth, I sold my 899’s to a buddy with no rear bumper, just a drawer system and fridge, and he doesn’t think they’re too stiff. Your results may vary.
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